Potential causes for generational deafness in space colony
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I'm working on a sci fi story which heavily integrates themes of varying alien configurations and how they shape society, culture and language. As part of this theme, I want to have some of the human characters using a variety of different methods of communication, rather than falling into the "all humans communicate through spoken language and aliens have variations" trap. I decided to have a main human character who primarily uses a signed language, and have decided to 'make' her Deaf as a part of this. (Capitalized intentionally, see below.)
One thing I really want for this character is for her to come from a cultural background of heavy signed language usage. It's important to the themes and the character to have her come from a Deaf cultural background, and I'm looking for things which would cause and maintain a population with high stable rates of Deafness/hearing impairment as a result, which would still apply outside of her place of origin, as that is where much of the story is set. I've also decided for other reasons that I want her to come from a space colony near the setting location rather than from Earth itself.
The idea I have come up with is that this settlement is one of the earliest human settlements outside of the solar system, coming from an intergenerational starship with a minimal staff and a wide variety of frozen/preserved embryos meant to establish a human population upon arrival. The idea I had is that for whatever reason, those embryos happened to have a high frequency of Deafness, and as the years passed resulted in an established human settlement which mostly uses a signed language.
I do not need an explanation/justification as to why they wouldn't all use technology to become hearing. I have that covered. My question instead is: what sorts of causes might result in a population with widespread generational Deafness such as this? I had originally conceived of this as purely biological reasons and been looking for something which would specifically affect Deafness rates in the population, but some other suggested explanations have suggested environmental factors which could cause Deafness to be specifically created or selected for. These answers are also appropriate. I am not sure how to update the tags for this to reflect this.
The best answer will have a plausible genesis (such as a specific genetic syndrome and/or something which could cause stored embryos to be susceptible to it, or a reason for the starship to be originally crewed by Deaf folks) and a reason why it would be stable many generations down the line. Scenarios should be consistent with a culturally Deaf background and a signing background, rather than suggesting alternate means of communication technology.
EDIT: Okay. I was cool with the edit which removed some other plot details for clarity, but ever since it was made I've been getting "what if instead of Deafness you did [x]" answers, and that is not what I'm looking for. I specifically am looking for a Deaf culture here.
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I'm working on a sci fi story which heavily integrates themes of varying alien configurations and how they shape society, culture and language. As part of this theme, I want to have some of the human characters using a variety of different methods of communication, rather than falling into the "all humans communicate through spoken language and aliens have variations" trap. I decided to have a main human character who primarily uses a signed language, and have decided to 'make' her Deaf as a part of this. (Capitalized intentionally, see below.)
One thing I really want for this character is for her to come from a cultural background of heavy signed language usage. It's important to the themes and the character to have her come from a Deaf cultural background, and I'm looking for things which would cause and maintain a population with high stable rates of Deafness/hearing impairment as a result, which would still apply outside of her place of origin, as that is where much of the story is set. I've also decided for other reasons that I want her to come from a space colony near the setting location rather than from Earth itself.
The idea I have come up with is that this settlement is one of the earliest human settlements outside of the solar system, coming from an intergenerational starship with a minimal staff and a wide variety of frozen/preserved embryos meant to establish a human population upon arrival. The idea I had is that for whatever reason, those embryos happened to have a high frequency of Deafness, and as the years passed resulted in an established human settlement which mostly uses a signed language.
I do not need an explanation/justification as to why they wouldn't all use technology to become hearing. I have that covered. My question instead is: what sorts of causes might result in a population with widespread generational Deafness such as this? I had originally conceived of this as purely biological reasons and been looking for something which would specifically affect Deafness rates in the population, but some other suggested explanations have suggested environmental factors which could cause Deafness to be specifically created or selected for. These answers are also appropriate. I am not sure how to update the tags for this to reflect this.
The best answer will have a plausible genesis (such as a specific genetic syndrome and/or something which could cause stored embryos to be susceptible to it, or a reason for the starship to be originally crewed by Deaf folks) and a reason why it would be stable many generations down the line. Scenarios should be consistent with a culturally Deaf background and a signing background, rather than suggesting alternate means of communication technology.
EDIT: Okay. I was cool with the edit which removed some other plot details for clarity, but ever since it was made I've been getting "what if instead of Deafness you did [x]" answers, and that is not what I'm looking for. I specifically am looking for a Deaf culture here.
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Obligatory reference to Martha's Vineyard Sign Language and the long-time hearing/deaf mixed community there. (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martha%27s_Vineyard_Sign_Language)
– Jedediah
Nov 7 at 22:28
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That is an extremely useful link, thank you! I'd been googling around for generational d/Deafness stuff, but just kept finding scientific papers which didn't really give me either a good cause (such as Waardenburg syndrome) or a good example of such a community.
– QWriter
Nov 7 at 22:30
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It's not quite answering your question, hence the comment, but have you considered an environmental affect of the colony itself as a cause for the signed language? For example the ambient noise being high? This would prevent colonists from using audio communication as a default, even with good ear defenders/personal radios, and will possibly mean d/Deafness causes a Quality of Life improvement in this case.
– Kyyshak
Nov 8 at 9:13
You are asking for a biological reason for deafness, so why do you insist on bringing in the cultural 'Capital D' distinction? It seems irrelevant to the question. If you think it is relevant, than make that clear, otherwise it only confuses things.
– Jan Doggen
Nov 8 at 9:56
I've taken a shot at rewriting my question which I hope is a bit clearer.
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I'm working on a sci fi story which heavily integrates themes of varying alien configurations and how they shape society, culture and language. As part of this theme, I want to have some of the human characters using a variety of different methods of communication, rather than falling into the "all humans communicate through spoken language and aliens have variations" trap. I decided to have a main human character who primarily uses a signed language, and have decided to 'make' her Deaf as a part of this. (Capitalized intentionally, see below.)
One thing I really want for this character is for her to come from a cultural background of heavy signed language usage. It's important to the themes and the character to have her come from a Deaf cultural background, and I'm looking for things which would cause and maintain a population with high stable rates of Deafness/hearing impairment as a result, which would still apply outside of her place of origin, as that is where much of the story is set. I've also decided for other reasons that I want her to come from a space colony near the setting location rather than from Earth itself.
The idea I have come up with is that this settlement is one of the earliest human settlements outside of the solar system, coming from an intergenerational starship with a minimal staff and a wide variety of frozen/preserved embryos meant to establish a human population upon arrival. The idea I had is that for whatever reason, those embryos happened to have a high frequency of Deafness, and as the years passed resulted in an established human settlement which mostly uses a signed language.
I do not need an explanation/justification as to why they wouldn't all use technology to become hearing. I have that covered. My question instead is: what sorts of causes might result in a population with widespread generational Deafness such as this? I had originally conceived of this as purely biological reasons and been looking for something which would specifically affect Deafness rates in the population, but some other suggested explanations have suggested environmental factors which could cause Deafness to be specifically created or selected for. These answers are also appropriate. I am not sure how to update the tags for this to reflect this.
The best answer will have a plausible genesis (such as a specific genetic syndrome and/or something which could cause stored embryos to be susceptible to it, or a reason for the starship to be originally crewed by Deaf folks) and a reason why it would be stable many generations down the line. Scenarios should be consistent with a culturally Deaf background and a signing background, rather than suggesting alternate means of communication technology.
EDIT: Okay. I was cool with the edit which removed some other plot details for clarity, but ever since it was made I've been getting "what if instead of Deafness you did [x]" answers, and that is not what I'm looking for. I specifically am looking for a Deaf culture here.
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I'm working on a sci fi story which heavily integrates themes of varying alien configurations and how they shape society, culture and language. As part of this theme, I want to have some of the human characters using a variety of different methods of communication, rather than falling into the "all humans communicate through spoken language and aliens have variations" trap. I decided to have a main human character who primarily uses a signed language, and have decided to 'make' her Deaf as a part of this. (Capitalized intentionally, see below.)
One thing I really want for this character is for her to come from a cultural background of heavy signed language usage. It's important to the themes and the character to have her come from a Deaf cultural background, and I'm looking for things which would cause and maintain a population with high stable rates of Deafness/hearing impairment as a result, which would still apply outside of her place of origin, as that is where much of the story is set. I've also decided for other reasons that I want her to come from a space colony near the setting location rather than from Earth itself.
The idea I have come up with is that this settlement is one of the earliest human settlements outside of the solar system, coming from an intergenerational starship with a minimal staff and a wide variety of frozen/preserved embryos meant to establish a human population upon arrival. The idea I had is that for whatever reason, those embryos happened to have a high frequency of Deafness, and as the years passed resulted in an established human settlement which mostly uses a signed language.
I do not need an explanation/justification as to why they wouldn't all use technology to become hearing. I have that covered. My question instead is: what sorts of causes might result in a population with widespread generational Deafness such as this? I had originally conceived of this as purely biological reasons and been looking for something which would specifically affect Deafness rates in the population, but some other suggested explanations have suggested environmental factors which could cause Deafness to be specifically created or selected for. These answers are also appropriate. I am not sure how to update the tags for this to reflect this.
The best answer will have a plausible genesis (such as a specific genetic syndrome and/or something which could cause stored embryos to be susceptible to it, or a reason for the starship to be originally crewed by Deaf folks) and a reason why it would be stable many generations down the line. Scenarios should be consistent with a culturally Deaf background and a signing background, rather than suggesting alternate means of communication technology.
EDIT: Okay. I was cool with the edit which removed some other plot details for clarity, but ever since it was made I've been getting "what if instead of Deafness you did [x]" answers, and that is not what I'm looking for. I specifically am looking for a Deaf culture here.
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Obligatory reference to Martha's Vineyard Sign Language and the long-time hearing/deaf mixed community there. (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martha%27s_Vineyard_Sign_Language)
– Jedediah
Nov 7 at 22:28
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That is an extremely useful link, thank you! I'd been googling around for generational d/Deafness stuff, but just kept finding scientific papers which didn't really give me either a good cause (such as Waardenburg syndrome) or a good example of such a community.
– QWriter
Nov 7 at 22:30
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It's not quite answering your question, hence the comment, but have you considered an environmental affect of the colony itself as a cause for the signed language? For example the ambient noise being high? This would prevent colonists from using audio communication as a default, even with good ear defenders/personal radios, and will possibly mean d/Deafness causes a Quality of Life improvement in this case.
– Kyyshak
Nov 8 at 9:13
You are asking for a biological reason for deafness, so why do you insist on bringing in the cultural 'Capital D' distinction? It seems irrelevant to the question. If you think it is relevant, than make that clear, otherwise it only confuses things.
– Jan Doggen
Nov 8 at 9:56
I've taken a shot at rewriting my question which I hope is a bit clearer.
– QWriter
Nov 8 at 10:08
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Obligatory reference to Martha's Vineyard Sign Language and the long-time hearing/deaf mixed community there. (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martha%27s_Vineyard_Sign_Language)
– Jedediah
Nov 7 at 22:28
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That is an extremely useful link, thank you! I'd been googling around for generational d/Deafness stuff, but just kept finding scientific papers which didn't really give me either a good cause (such as Waardenburg syndrome) or a good example of such a community.
– QWriter
Nov 7 at 22:30
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It's not quite answering your question, hence the comment, but have you considered an environmental affect of the colony itself as a cause for the signed language? For example the ambient noise being high? This would prevent colonists from using audio communication as a default, even with good ear defenders/personal radios, and will possibly mean d/Deafness causes a Quality of Life improvement in this case.
– Kyyshak
Nov 8 at 9:13
You are asking for a biological reason for deafness, so why do you insist on bringing in the cultural 'Capital D' distinction? It seems irrelevant to the question. If you think it is relevant, than make that clear, otherwise it only confuses things.
– Jan Doggen
Nov 8 at 9:56
I've taken a shot at rewriting my question which I hope is a bit clearer.
– QWriter
Nov 8 at 10:08
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Obligatory reference to Martha's Vineyard Sign Language and the long-time hearing/deaf mixed community there. (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martha%27s_Vineyard_Sign_Language)
– Jedediah
Nov 7 at 22:28
Obligatory reference to Martha's Vineyard Sign Language and the long-time hearing/deaf mixed community there. (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martha%27s_Vineyard_Sign_Language)
– Jedediah
Nov 7 at 22:28
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That is an extremely useful link, thank you! I'd been googling around for generational d/Deafness stuff, but just kept finding scientific papers which didn't really give me either a good cause (such as Waardenburg syndrome) or a good example of such a community.
– QWriter
Nov 7 at 22:30
That is an extremely useful link, thank you! I'd been googling around for generational d/Deafness stuff, but just kept finding scientific papers which didn't really give me either a good cause (such as Waardenburg syndrome) or a good example of such a community.
– QWriter
Nov 7 at 22:30
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It's not quite answering your question, hence the comment, but have you considered an environmental affect of the colony itself as a cause for the signed language? For example the ambient noise being high? This would prevent colonists from using audio communication as a default, even with good ear defenders/personal radios, and will possibly mean d/Deafness causes a Quality of Life improvement in this case.
– Kyyshak
Nov 8 at 9:13
It's not quite answering your question, hence the comment, but have you considered an environmental affect of the colony itself as a cause for the signed language? For example the ambient noise being high? This would prevent colonists from using audio communication as a default, even with good ear defenders/personal radios, and will possibly mean d/Deafness causes a Quality of Life improvement in this case.
– Kyyshak
Nov 8 at 9:13
You are asking for a biological reason for deafness, so why do you insist on bringing in the cultural 'Capital D' distinction? It seems irrelevant to the question. If you think it is relevant, than make that clear, otherwise it only confuses things.
– Jan Doggen
Nov 8 at 9:56
You are asking for a biological reason for deafness, so why do you insist on bringing in the cultural 'Capital D' distinction? It seems irrelevant to the question. If you think it is relevant, than make that clear, otherwise it only confuses things.
– Jan Doggen
Nov 8 at 9:56
I've taken a shot at rewriting my question which I hope is a bit clearer.
– QWriter
Nov 8 at 10:08
I've taken a shot at rewriting my question which I hope is a bit clearer.
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Genetic manipulation/augmentation can often have consequences that extend to offspring, whether they affected the target of the augmentation or not. Perhaps this generational deafness came from some initial genetic augmentation targeting something else that had unforseen consequences in the offspring.
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I like this. GM to improve their chances (radiation resistance raised to cockroach levels for interstellar space travel?) , but the scientists broke some gene in the process and the broken genetics come to light only one or two generations later. A recessive, except they are all carrying it.
– nigel222
Nov 8 at 15:30
After significant internal debate, this is the answer I'm accepting. There were a LOT of good answers here, and I'd like to especially thank Cyn and Mike Nichols for suggesting a "feature, not a bug" solution that I might well go with anyway, but the original question I asked was "how might these embryos have a high heritable tendency towards Deafness", tagged with biology and medicine, and this is the best explanation for those parameters.
– QWriter
Nov 8 at 17:57
@QWriter Look up "handwavium" trope. This is it. No explanation why the modification is desired and how it causes the deafness.
– Agent_L
Nov 9 at 8:29
@Agent_L, OP asked for heritable tendency towards deafness, they asked for a means so I provided a means. I don't understand the intent of your comment
– ActionEconomy
Nov 9 at 11:18
@Agent_L While the specific causes given were useful, there weren't as plausible reasons why the gene would be so widespread. The "feature, not a bug" answers were good but my reasons for liking them felt too opinion-based to defend by the rules of this site. Many of the other answers did not even use Deafness or signed language. Giving a specific gene/modification would have been better, but this was enough to work with. I'm new, but I know that the rules are big on standards for a best answer. By the standards I gave, this seemed like the 'objective' best one.
– QWriter
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First, I'll say that it would be a lot better to have your characters descend from or be raised by capital D Deaf people. This way you get an established Sign Language (which can morph like any language will) vs having to spontaneously create one. I've actually seen a first generation Sign Language (wrote my undergraduate thesis on it) and it's not as grammatically complex as an established language (though it for sure had grammar) and the vocabulary wasn't very big either. Plus you have consistency issues. In this case, the language didn't start up until the children were old enough to go to school, and there were strong influences from visitors and of course the native spoken language. While doing it this way can make an interesting story, if you want to honor Deaf culture, preserve an existing language with native users.
There's a terrific short story in this anthology:
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/23129839-octavia-s-brood
Octavia's Brood: Science Fiction Stories from Social Justice Movements
Earth transports babies deemed unacceptable due to their disabilities to a space colony. Which turns out to be a pretty awesome place.
While of course a lot of deafness is acquired, for those born deaf, even existing technology can diagnosis it (all newborns in hospitals get the screening tests and there are further tests for those who "fail").
Another way to get a Deaf community is to have a colony come from a group of workers or settlers chosen for their deafness. Because it was advantageous for that location or the work. As they raise families, many of the children will also be deaf, since some deafness is genetic (you can even screen for that initially). And everyone will grow up signing.
Depending on what's around, people born hearing might not thrive, or might live with whatever noise there is, or the noise could be gone by then, or they might choose (or their parents will choose) to make them deaf medically for their own comfort and health. I can imagine all the hearing readers gasping right now. But the reality is that our society routinely removes someones ability or even bodypart that is not deemed important, because there are other benefits. Extra fingers? who needs those? A quick clip of the auditory nerve could save a lot of children in this colony.
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The problem with not being raised by capital D Deaf people did occur to me - I'd been thinking of a Nicaraguan Sign Language type situation where it would occur, and be an old + established language by the time of the main story. But I like an explanation which lets them be raised by Deaf people originally a lot better. Them being chosen due to the needs of the location is a good idea that I think I can work with.
– QWriter
Nov 7 at 20:40
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Whoa. How did you know I was talking about Nicaraguan Sign Language? I was the "assistant" (though there much longer) to the primary researcher doing that study.
– Cyn
Nov 7 at 20:43
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It came up in my college linguistics class back a few years ago, heh - I think it's the only observed (recorded, I mean) birth of a new language (aside from conlangs, which have their own considerations), isn't it?
– QWriter
Nov 7 at 20:48
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Ha! I observed (and learned) it for 6 months. Crazy that it's being taught in courses now.
– Cyn
Nov 7 at 20:55
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That's extremely cool! As I said, I've known about it for years, but I never expected to run across someone who was actually there when it happened, especially not the assistant who did their thesis on it.
– QWriter
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Your colonists have Waardenburg syndrome.
https://healthjade.com/waardenburg-syndrome/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waardenburg_syndrome
Waardenburg syndrome is a rare genetic disorder most often
characterized by varying degrees of deafness, minor defects in
structures arising from the neural crest, and pigmentation changes.
There are a lot of other images of folks with this syndrome on the web. They characteristicaly have a white forelock, bright blue irises and wideset eyes. The Wikipedia article states that about 1 in 30 students at schools for the deaf have this syndrome and so they can be cognitively normal.
For your story, there is some tremendous benefit conferred by Waardenburg syndrome as regards living on your space station, such that all available Waardenburg embryos were chosen to grow up. You will need to invent this benefit or read more about the syndrome than I have. An easy one is that for reasons beyond control, your space station is irrevocably loud such that inhibitants are driven to deafness anyway, and having Waardenburg's is an easy way to ensure deafness without also having more debilitating congenital anomalies. Or you could give them something extra - for example an abnormal accumulation of neural crest cells in the pituitary (the vestigial "third eye" in the center of our brain) give that organ back the powers that it lost during our evolution
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Did you mean the Pineal gland? The question seems to be science based, so all we can say about the powers of the "third eye" is that it produces melatonin and appears to regulate certain pituitary secretions. Not much to go on there.
– Corey
Nov 8 at 0:41
@Corey - yes, pineal. It is a vestigial eye and according to wikipedia "the pineal gland continues to have an exalted status in the realm of pseudoscience." My thought is that the neural crest defect of persons with Waadenburgs might be credited with some emergent property that made them better space station inhabitants, and the pineal is full of neural crest cells and otherwise a blank slate.
– Willk
Nov 8 at 1:40
While the pineal has some cells with structure similar to the retina I'm reasonably sure that it isn't the degenerate remains of a third ocular organ. The most developed parietal eye structures use different types of photreceptors than the eyes of the organisms they are present in, let alone humans, and none of them are externally accessible. It's not a true eye, it's a photosensitive internal organ. Hard to see what 'powers' that would confer on a human.
– Corey
Nov 8 at 3:06
@Corey Mysterious high-energy radiation is distorted by the structure of the skull just enough that the pineal gland can detect them as "brightness" in the direction you are facing, and allowing them to instinctively avoid dangerous areas?
– Chronocidal
Nov 8 at 13:17
@Willk You appear to be conflating the Pineal Gland with the Parietal Eye that some animals have. The two are linked, in the same way that the Semicircular canals and cochlea of the ear are of similar origin, but fulfil different functions (Balance vs Sound/Hearing)
– Chronocidal
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Perhaps your colony was designed to be deaf.
This isn't as far-fetched as it may seem at first glance. Today there are many known instances of parents intentionally having children with a “disability”. Using preimplantation genetic diagnosis parents can choose the traits of their children. While generally, we assume that parents would choose to have “healthy” children many parents are using these services to have “disabled” children, generally in the same way they themselves are “disabled”. Your use of Deafness with a capital D suggests you already are aware of this, but many "disabled" communities, Deafness perhaps chief among them, think of deafness as less of a handicap and more of something like a culture. Advocates of this idea feel that being deaf isn’t a significant impediment to their everyday lives and rather enriches their lives in various ways.
New colonies are often formed by those dissatisfied with their current environment or who are being persecuted for one reason or another. Perhaps your Deaf colony arises from a Deaf community fleeing laws outlawing their continued existence or otherwise seeking independence.
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I had briefly considered this, but had been thinking of it as primarily a government-driven settlement effort wherein it seemed odd that whoever was in charge would select in that fashion. Your point about new colonies often being formed more by people fleeing persecution would address that nicely, though.
– QWriter
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You might want widespread congenital cytomegalovirus (CMV) infection.
Most of the medical terminology on a cursory search is well over my head here, but to pick out the dramatic highlights:
Cytomegalovirus (pronounced sy-toe-MEG-a-low-vy-rus), or CMV, is a common virus that infects people of all ages. Over half of adults by age 40 have been infected with CMV. Once CMV is in a person’s body, it stays there for life and can reactivate. Most people infected with CMV show no signs or symptoms. However, CMV infection can cause serious health problems for people with weakened immune systems and for unborn babies (congenital CMV).
And also:
The diagnostic rate using combined genetic deafness test and CMV DNA detection test was determined to be 46.4% in bilateral profound sensorineural hearing loss (SNHL).
At first blush it looks like it has some promise.
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2.What sorts of causes might result in a population with widespread generational deafness such as this?
First, in the case of generational colony ships and genetic mutations, this is highly unlikely as both the populace would be prescreened for such defects and likely trained to be selective in their breeding. Mutations could still happen, its just unlikely that it would propagate to the whole population.
But here is a plausible idea:
Over Exposure to Loud Noises
During the generational voyage a component was damaged beyond repair. That component was responsible for dampening sounds generated from [insert loud machine component like the engine]. Thus the populace self mutilated themselves so as to not need to hear so they can sleep. The society then adopted sign language as their official means of communication.
Fast forward to the colonization, after generations of the above situation the populace both forgot how to speak the spoken word and are use to and prefer sign language.
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Somehow missed this on my scroll down and posted a similar answer, but yeah, simple loud noises could be an issue. You don't even need them to self-mutilate; loud noise for prolonged periods can cause deafness, and even if it didn't, if talking is useless for communication, you can have perfectly functional ears but no way to use them, so you end up switching to sign.
– ShadowRanger
Nov 8 at 3:44
While prolonged exposure to loud noises can cause deafness I figured the constant voice eclipsing noise needed for this scenario would result in sleep deprivation before deafness ergo self mutilation.
– anon
Nov 8 at 12:18
Entirely possible, but I think you underestimate people's ability to adjust. I have a newborn and a pre-schooler, and the pre-schooler regularly falls asleep in the car a mere foot from the newborn, who hates car rides and shrieks at the top of his lungs for minutes at a time, takes a brief breathing break, then resumes. The preschooler sleeps right through it all. Ear plugs and growing accustomed to the noise (and/or being rendered deaf) seem more likely than intentional self-mutilation to me.
– ShadowRanger
Nov 8 at 15:00
That is a good point, the self mutilation aspect is rather a minor point anyways. The main point is mechanical failure causing deafening noises that force the community to abandon speech. Anyways, you are right people can adapt to Rhythmic sounds however Arrhythmic sounds are a different story.
– anon
Nov 8 at 15:11
I was thinking along these lines, but not self-mutilation. Rather, just something that can't be fixed causing such a high noise level that the only way to communicate reliably with speech is to stand next to somebody and shout in their ear. Plus they'd use improvised ear-plugs to sleep and often forget to take them out. Children would turn the resulting sign-language-pidgin into a sign-language-creole (crutch to primary language in one generation). Spoken English or whatever would then be forgotten.
– nigel222
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An alternative approach with non-biological causes: The generation ship was prone to catastrophic loss of air pressure. Automated systems and rapid response from the staff meant pressure loss didn't last more than a few seconds each time (and people can survive that, it's just uncomfortable), but the air pressure loss was significant when it occurred. Thanks lowest bidder contracting!
Most of the negative effects of brief exposure to near-vacuum conditions are unpleasant, but not long term. But unfortunately, your sinuses are bad at venting pressure quickly; when the pressure drops rapidly from 14.7 psi to less than 5 psi, your eardrum is almost guaranteed to rupture. Now, any given rupture generally heals within a few months, but unfortunately, the steady drip of air pressure problems means they usually got reruptured over and over before the healing completed, and eventually the scar tissue stiffened the eardrums to the point of deafness.
So after a few decades of this, your skeleton crew arrives at a new planet stone deaf, having long ago discarded spoken language in favor of text and sign communication as they all went permanently deaf.
As it happens, all the embryos have perfectly functional ears. Unfortunately, no one thought to send along recordings of the language, and everyone who knew how to speak it is decades out of practice (or dead, if the original crew died en route to be replaced by children born in space), and can't actually hear what they're saying; the newly decanted babies simply don't have any consistent model for speaking the language. So they learn sign instead. And it works. And reinventing spoken language from scratch is not that easy, and when it happens, each local group does it independently, ending up with mutually unintelligible spoken language, so sign becomes the lingua franca. Even if the occasional group speaks aloud amongst themselves, they have little choice but to fall back on signing (which everyone inherited from the original skeleton crew) when dealing with outsiders.
Add on some additional motivations for signing (e.g. the planet itself has a low pressure atmosphere or constant high winds which reduce how well sound carries and/or require respirators that muffle your voice, or have dangerous critters that attack noisy folks), and the system can end up self-sustaining for quite a while.
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The statements
"...a wide variety of frozen/preserved embryos"
and
"those embryos happened to have a high frequency of deafness"
seem to be a statistically very unlikely combination. Any sensible expedition would be sure to have plenty of genetic diversity and that is implied by 'a wide variety'.
However if the embryos were all planted by a mad scientist (probably all his/her own offspring) then massive inbreeding would occur. It would be very likely that a genetic defect such as deafness would arise.
Alternatively, perhaps many of the embryos were destroyed in transit. Again inbreeding would be a serious problem.
Therein lies my dilemma, I'm afraid. There have been some useful answers above, though -- however, I understand it is community standard to wait 24 hours before accepting an answer, so I will do so.
– QWriter
Nov 7 at 18:57
I may have added a bit more since your comment. I.e. the mad professor or the accidental destruction of embryos.
– chasly from UK
Nov 7 at 18:59
Ah, I see! Thank you!
– QWriter
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If you are looking for a plausible reason behind everyone being able to sign, we need look no further than the vacuum of space. For a space traveling culture a language immune to radio failure and decompression would be invaluable. On a generation ship, it would be taught equal to spoken language, to maximize the odds of survival.
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In your universe, people should already feature brain-to-brain, brain-to-machine and machine-to-brain full-duplex efficient communication. This means that communicating through verbal means is something outdated and inneficient. Even typing things is inneficient. Further, in that scenario, many people do not even need to develop or learn spoken languages.
Space is quiet. If you live your whole live in a spaceship, you aren't going to hear anything from the outside. If your spaceship is quiet, there should be no need to hear anything.
Things happening inside the spaceship could be detected by machinery installed into the spaceship itself. If needed, sounds could be captured with microphones and transmitted to humans via a machine-to-brain mechanism. This also have the advantage that frequencies that are way out of the human biologically-hearing ranges can be heard perfectly.
This means that hearing through the biologic hear is not needed anymore. Talking isn't needed either.
Now, let's suppose that the ship is not so quiet. That damn reactor produces a very loud awkward sound! That combustion chambers produces horrible echoes around all the ship! Couldn't we be better if we just choose to not hear them? If those sounds are captured by a biological hear, then we can't filter them out and they bother and hurt too much for being tolerable. So, it would be better to be biologically deaf and hear things only via the machine-to-brain interfaces. The machine is responsible to filter out unpleasant or irrelevant noise.
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The other answers are quite detailed, but if you're looking for a quick 'n easy solution, just handwave Cosmic rays. Make 'cosmic deafness' due to space radiation a known occupational hazard for early colonists, before the cure was developed. Even worse, for some areas (colonies in the Oort cloud for example) it's genetic and affects offspring.
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Maybe they can hear but not speak?
If your objective is a human society using sign language instead of spoken communication, you may wish to consider the flipside of deafness - a population that can hear but is dumb (in the medical sense). To quote from an article on the Australian ABC News website
Our ancestors, as well as modern apes like chimpanzees, didn't have a
space between the horizontal tube that leads into the jaw and the
vertical tube that leads to your throat, the way modern humans do.
But the space, which makes it possible for us to choke on food, also
allows us to do something else: speak.
Speaking is a huge advantage and choking on food is a low order risk in our current situation on Earth. However, there could be a combination of environmental factors that make the choking risk much greater for a population on an offworld colony somewhere. As a result, the ability to speak was removed through genetic and/or surgical manipulation in order to remove the choking hazard. This may have been intended as a short term solution but gained cultural inertia due to other situations where sign language was advantageous and/or speech was a liability.
As an alternative or addition, if the critical requirement is Deafness rather than sign language use, have some parasitic lifeforms akin to a tick in size that target the human ear as an entry point into the body. The parasites require still air, so they do not target the nose or mouth where respiration is almost constantly occurring, but the ear is ideal for them. As per the above scenario, the ears needed to be sealed in order to remove the entry point by surgical and/or genetic means.
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They all work in the engine section of the ship. The permanent high noise means ear protection is worn at all times and people communicate using sign language to the extent that after multiple generations in that environment it's just what they always use.
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You don't need deafness to suppress speech. Space is vacuum, space ships/stations are bunch of vessels with different pressures separated by vacuum. Voice communications are unreliable in such environments without intercoms (which could be made unreliable via other means). Eardrum damage due to sudden pressure changes reinforces the drift away from voice toward more reliable means.
You can easily have a population that uses dominant sign/body language because of entire life spent in ship environment. It becomes part of space-dweller culture, retained when raising the settled-down generation. Much like a hearing kid raised among deaf people, they can be capable of vocalizations and hearing, but for them every spoken language would be a foreign language.
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Genetic manipulation/augmentation can often have consequences that extend to offspring, whether they affected the target of the augmentation or not. Perhaps this generational deafness came from some initial genetic augmentation targeting something else that had unforseen consequences in the offspring.
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I like this. GM to improve their chances (radiation resistance raised to cockroach levels for interstellar space travel?) , but the scientists broke some gene in the process and the broken genetics come to light only one or two generations later. A recessive, except they are all carrying it.
– nigel222
Nov 8 at 15:30
After significant internal debate, this is the answer I'm accepting. There were a LOT of good answers here, and I'd like to especially thank Cyn and Mike Nichols for suggesting a "feature, not a bug" solution that I might well go with anyway, but the original question I asked was "how might these embryos have a high heritable tendency towards Deafness", tagged with biology and medicine, and this is the best explanation for those parameters.
– QWriter
Nov 8 at 17:57
@QWriter Look up "handwavium" trope. This is it. No explanation why the modification is desired and how it causes the deafness.
– Agent_L
Nov 9 at 8:29
@Agent_L, OP asked for heritable tendency towards deafness, they asked for a means so I provided a means. I don't understand the intent of your comment
– ActionEconomy
Nov 9 at 11:18
@Agent_L While the specific causes given were useful, there weren't as plausible reasons why the gene would be so widespread. The "feature, not a bug" answers were good but my reasons for liking them felt too opinion-based to defend by the rules of this site. Many of the other answers did not even use Deafness or signed language. Giving a specific gene/modification would have been better, but this was enough to work with. I'm new, but I know that the rules are big on standards for a best answer. By the standards I gave, this seemed like the 'objective' best one.
– QWriter
Nov 9 at 13:29
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Genetic manipulation/augmentation can often have consequences that extend to offspring, whether they affected the target of the augmentation or not. Perhaps this generational deafness came from some initial genetic augmentation targeting something else that had unforseen consequences in the offspring.
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I like this. GM to improve their chances (radiation resistance raised to cockroach levels for interstellar space travel?) , but the scientists broke some gene in the process and the broken genetics come to light only one or two generations later. A recessive, except they are all carrying it.
– nigel222
Nov 8 at 15:30
After significant internal debate, this is the answer I'm accepting. There were a LOT of good answers here, and I'd like to especially thank Cyn and Mike Nichols for suggesting a "feature, not a bug" solution that I might well go with anyway, but the original question I asked was "how might these embryos have a high heritable tendency towards Deafness", tagged with biology and medicine, and this is the best explanation for those parameters.
– QWriter
Nov 8 at 17:57
@QWriter Look up "handwavium" trope. This is it. No explanation why the modification is desired and how it causes the deafness.
– Agent_L
Nov 9 at 8:29
@Agent_L, OP asked for heritable tendency towards deafness, they asked for a means so I provided a means. I don't understand the intent of your comment
– ActionEconomy
Nov 9 at 11:18
@Agent_L While the specific causes given were useful, there weren't as plausible reasons why the gene would be so widespread. The "feature, not a bug" answers were good but my reasons for liking them felt too opinion-based to defend by the rules of this site. Many of the other answers did not even use Deafness or signed language. Giving a specific gene/modification would have been better, but this was enough to work with. I'm new, but I know that the rules are big on standards for a best answer. By the standards I gave, this seemed like the 'objective' best one.
– QWriter
Nov 9 at 13:29
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Genetic manipulation/augmentation can often have consequences that extend to offspring, whether they affected the target of the augmentation or not. Perhaps this generational deafness came from some initial genetic augmentation targeting something else that had unforseen consequences in the offspring.
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Genetic manipulation/augmentation can often have consequences that extend to offspring, whether they affected the target of the augmentation or not. Perhaps this generational deafness came from some initial genetic augmentation targeting something else that had unforseen consequences in the offspring.
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I like this. GM to improve their chances (radiation resistance raised to cockroach levels for interstellar space travel?) , but the scientists broke some gene in the process and the broken genetics come to light only one or two generations later. A recessive, except they are all carrying it.
– nigel222
Nov 8 at 15:30
After significant internal debate, this is the answer I'm accepting. There were a LOT of good answers here, and I'd like to especially thank Cyn and Mike Nichols for suggesting a "feature, not a bug" solution that I might well go with anyway, but the original question I asked was "how might these embryos have a high heritable tendency towards Deafness", tagged with biology and medicine, and this is the best explanation for those parameters.
– QWriter
Nov 8 at 17:57
@QWriter Look up "handwavium" trope. This is it. No explanation why the modification is desired and how it causes the deafness.
– Agent_L
Nov 9 at 8:29
@Agent_L, OP asked for heritable tendency towards deafness, they asked for a means so I provided a means. I don't understand the intent of your comment
– ActionEconomy
Nov 9 at 11:18
@Agent_L While the specific causes given were useful, there weren't as plausible reasons why the gene would be so widespread. The "feature, not a bug" answers were good but my reasons for liking them felt too opinion-based to defend by the rules of this site. Many of the other answers did not even use Deafness or signed language. Giving a specific gene/modification would have been better, but this was enough to work with. I'm new, but I know that the rules are big on standards for a best answer. By the standards I gave, this seemed like the 'objective' best one.
– QWriter
Nov 9 at 13:29
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I like this. GM to improve their chances (radiation resistance raised to cockroach levels for interstellar space travel?) , but the scientists broke some gene in the process and the broken genetics come to light only one or two generations later. A recessive, except they are all carrying it.
– nigel222
Nov 8 at 15:30
After significant internal debate, this is the answer I'm accepting. There were a LOT of good answers here, and I'd like to especially thank Cyn and Mike Nichols for suggesting a "feature, not a bug" solution that I might well go with anyway, but the original question I asked was "how might these embryos have a high heritable tendency towards Deafness", tagged with biology and medicine, and this is the best explanation for those parameters.
– QWriter
Nov 8 at 17:57
@QWriter Look up "handwavium" trope. This is it. No explanation why the modification is desired and how it causes the deafness.
– Agent_L
Nov 9 at 8:29
@Agent_L, OP asked for heritable tendency towards deafness, they asked for a means so I provided a means. I don't understand the intent of your comment
– ActionEconomy
Nov 9 at 11:18
@Agent_L While the specific causes given were useful, there weren't as plausible reasons why the gene would be so widespread. The "feature, not a bug" answers were good but my reasons for liking them felt too opinion-based to defend by the rules of this site. Many of the other answers did not even use Deafness or signed language. Giving a specific gene/modification would have been better, but this was enough to work with. I'm new, but I know that the rules are big on standards for a best answer. By the standards I gave, this seemed like the 'objective' best one.
– QWriter
Nov 9 at 13:29
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I like this. GM to improve their chances (radiation resistance raised to cockroach levels for interstellar space travel?) , but the scientists broke some gene in the process and the broken genetics come to light only one or two generations later. A recessive, except they are all carrying it.
– nigel222
Nov 8 at 15:30
I like this. GM to improve their chances (radiation resistance raised to cockroach levels for interstellar space travel?) , but the scientists broke some gene in the process and the broken genetics come to light only one or two generations later. A recessive, except they are all carrying it.
– nigel222
Nov 8 at 15:30
After significant internal debate, this is the answer I'm accepting. There were a LOT of good answers here, and I'd like to especially thank Cyn and Mike Nichols for suggesting a "feature, not a bug" solution that I might well go with anyway, but the original question I asked was "how might these embryos have a high heritable tendency towards Deafness", tagged with biology and medicine, and this is the best explanation for those parameters.
– QWriter
Nov 8 at 17:57
After significant internal debate, this is the answer I'm accepting. There were a LOT of good answers here, and I'd like to especially thank Cyn and Mike Nichols for suggesting a "feature, not a bug" solution that I might well go with anyway, but the original question I asked was "how might these embryos have a high heritable tendency towards Deafness", tagged with biology and medicine, and this is the best explanation for those parameters.
– QWriter
Nov 8 at 17:57
@QWriter Look up "handwavium" trope. This is it. No explanation why the modification is desired and how it causes the deafness.
– Agent_L
Nov 9 at 8:29
@QWriter Look up "handwavium" trope. This is it. No explanation why the modification is desired and how it causes the deafness.
– Agent_L
Nov 9 at 8:29
@Agent_L, OP asked for heritable tendency towards deafness, they asked for a means so I provided a means. I don't understand the intent of your comment
– ActionEconomy
Nov 9 at 11:18
@Agent_L, OP asked for heritable tendency towards deafness, they asked for a means so I provided a means. I don't understand the intent of your comment
– ActionEconomy
Nov 9 at 11:18
@Agent_L While the specific causes given were useful, there weren't as plausible reasons why the gene would be so widespread. The "feature, not a bug" answers were good but my reasons for liking them felt too opinion-based to defend by the rules of this site. Many of the other answers did not even use Deafness or signed language. Giving a specific gene/modification would have been better, but this was enough to work with. I'm new, but I know that the rules are big on standards for a best answer. By the standards I gave, this seemed like the 'objective' best one.
– QWriter
Nov 9 at 13:29
@Agent_L While the specific causes given were useful, there weren't as plausible reasons why the gene would be so widespread. The "feature, not a bug" answers were good but my reasons for liking them felt too opinion-based to defend by the rules of this site. Many of the other answers did not even use Deafness or signed language. Giving a specific gene/modification would have been better, but this was enough to work with. I'm new, but I know that the rules are big on standards for a best answer. By the standards I gave, this seemed like the 'objective' best one.
– QWriter
Nov 9 at 13:29
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First, I'll say that it would be a lot better to have your characters descend from or be raised by capital D Deaf people. This way you get an established Sign Language (which can morph like any language will) vs having to spontaneously create one. I've actually seen a first generation Sign Language (wrote my undergraduate thesis on it) and it's not as grammatically complex as an established language (though it for sure had grammar) and the vocabulary wasn't very big either. Plus you have consistency issues. In this case, the language didn't start up until the children were old enough to go to school, and there were strong influences from visitors and of course the native spoken language. While doing it this way can make an interesting story, if you want to honor Deaf culture, preserve an existing language with native users.
There's a terrific short story in this anthology:
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/23129839-octavia-s-brood
Octavia's Brood: Science Fiction Stories from Social Justice Movements
Earth transports babies deemed unacceptable due to their disabilities to a space colony. Which turns out to be a pretty awesome place.
While of course a lot of deafness is acquired, for those born deaf, even existing technology can diagnosis it (all newborns in hospitals get the screening tests and there are further tests for those who "fail").
Another way to get a Deaf community is to have a colony come from a group of workers or settlers chosen for their deafness. Because it was advantageous for that location or the work. As they raise families, many of the children will also be deaf, since some deafness is genetic (you can even screen for that initially). And everyone will grow up signing.
Depending on what's around, people born hearing might not thrive, or might live with whatever noise there is, or the noise could be gone by then, or they might choose (or their parents will choose) to make them deaf medically for their own comfort and health. I can imagine all the hearing readers gasping right now. But the reality is that our society routinely removes someones ability or even bodypart that is not deemed important, because there are other benefits. Extra fingers? who needs those? A quick clip of the auditory nerve could save a lot of children in this colony.
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The problem with not being raised by capital D Deaf people did occur to me - I'd been thinking of a Nicaraguan Sign Language type situation where it would occur, and be an old + established language by the time of the main story. But I like an explanation which lets them be raised by Deaf people originally a lot better. Them being chosen due to the needs of the location is a good idea that I think I can work with.
– QWriter
Nov 7 at 20:40
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Whoa. How did you know I was talking about Nicaraguan Sign Language? I was the "assistant" (though there much longer) to the primary researcher doing that study.
– Cyn
Nov 7 at 20:43
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It came up in my college linguistics class back a few years ago, heh - I think it's the only observed (recorded, I mean) birth of a new language (aside from conlangs, which have their own considerations), isn't it?
– QWriter
Nov 7 at 20:48
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Ha! I observed (and learned) it for 6 months. Crazy that it's being taught in courses now.
– Cyn
Nov 7 at 20:55
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That's extremely cool! As I said, I've known about it for years, but I never expected to run across someone who was actually there when it happened, especially not the assistant who did their thesis on it.
– QWriter
Nov 7 at 20:58
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First, I'll say that it would be a lot better to have your characters descend from or be raised by capital D Deaf people. This way you get an established Sign Language (which can morph like any language will) vs having to spontaneously create one. I've actually seen a first generation Sign Language (wrote my undergraduate thesis on it) and it's not as grammatically complex as an established language (though it for sure had grammar) and the vocabulary wasn't very big either. Plus you have consistency issues. In this case, the language didn't start up until the children were old enough to go to school, and there were strong influences from visitors and of course the native spoken language. While doing it this way can make an interesting story, if you want to honor Deaf culture, preserve an existing language with native users.
There's a terrific short story in this anthology:
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/23129839-octavia-s-brood
Octavia's Brood: Science Fiction Stories from Social Justice Movements
Earth transports babies deemed unacceptable due to their disabilities to a space colony. Which turns out to be a pretty awesome place.
While of course a lot of deafness is acquired, for those born deaf, even existing technology can diagnosis it (all newborns in hospitals get the screening tests and there are further tests for those who "fail").
Another way to get a Deaf community is to have a colony come from a group of workers or settlers chosen for their deafness. Because it was advantageous for that location or the work. As they raise families, many of the children will also be deaf, since some deafness is genetic (you can even screen for that initially). And everyone will grow up signing.
Depending on what's around, people born hearing might not thrive, or might live with whatever noise there is, or the noise could be gone by then, or they might choose (or their parents will choose) to make them deaf medically for their own comfort and health. I can imagine all the hearing readers gasping right now. But the reality is that our society routinely removes someones ability or even bodypart that is not deemed important, because there are other benefits. Extra fingers? who needs those? A quick clip of the auditory nerve could save a lot of children in this colony.
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The problem with not being raised by capital D Deaf people did occur to me - I'd been thinking of a Nicaraguan Sign Language type situation where it would occur, and be an old + established language by the time of the main story. But I like an explanation which lets them be raised by Deaf people originally a lot better. Them being chosen due to the needs of the location is a good idea that I think I can work with.
– QWriter
Nov 7 at 20:40
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Whoa. How did you know I was talking about Nicaraguan Sign Language? I was the "assistant" (though there much longer) to the primary researcher doing that study.
– Cyn
Nov 7 at 20:43
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It came up in my college linguistics class back a few years ago, heh - I think it's the only observed (recorded, I mean) birth of a new language (aside from conlangs, which have their own considerations), isn't it?
– QWriter
Nov 7 at 20:48
1
Ha! I observed (and learned) it for 6 months. Crazy that it's being taught in courses now.
– Cyn
Nov 7 at 20:55
1
That's extremely cool! As I said, I've known about it for years, but I never expected to run across someone who was actually there when it happened, especially not the assistant who did their thesis on it.
– QWriter
Nov 7 at 20:58
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First, I'll say that it would be a lot better to have your characters descend from or be raised by capital D Deaf people. This way you get an established Sign Language (which can morph like any language will) vs having to spontaneously create one. I've actually seen a first generation Sign Language (wrote my undergraduate thesis on it) and it's not as grammatically complex as an established language (though it for sure had grammar) and the vocabulary wasn't very big either. Plus you have consistency issues. In this case, the language didn't start up until the children were old enough to go to school, and there were strong influences from visitors and of course the native spoken language. While doing it this way can make an interesting story, if you want to honor Deaf culture, preserve an existing language with native users.
There's a terrific short story in this anthology:
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/23129839-octavia-s-brood
Octavia's Brood: Science Fiction Stories from Social Justice Movements
Earth transports babies deemed unacceptable due to their disabilities to a space colony. Which turns out to be a pretty awesome place.
While of course a lot of deafness is acquired, for those born deaf, even existing technology can diagnosis it (all newborns in hospitals get the screening tests and there are further tests for those who "fail").
Another way to get a Deaf community is to have a colony come from a group of workers or settlers chosen for their deafness. Because it was advantageous for that location or the work. As they raise families, many of the children will also be deaf, since some deafness is genetic (you can even screen for that initially). And everyone will grow up signing.
Depending on what's around, people born hearing might not thrive, or might live with whatever noise there is, or the noise could be gone by then, or they might choose (or their parents will choose) to make them deaf medically for their own comfort and health. I can imagine all the hearing readers gasping right now. But the reality is that our society routinely removes someones ability or even bodypart that is not deemed important, because there are other benefits. Extra fingers? who needs those? A quick clip of the auditory nerve could save a lot of children in this colony.
First, I'll say that it would be a lot better to have your characters descend from or be raised by capital D Deaf people. This way you get an established Sign Language (which can morph like any language will) vs having to spontaneously create one. I've actually seen a first generation Sign Language (wrote my undergraduate thesis on it) and it's not as grammatically complex as an established language (though it for sure had grammar) and the vocabulary wasn't very big either. Plus you have consistency issues. In this case, the language didn't start up until the children were old enough to go to school, and there were strong influences from visitors and of course the native spoken language. While doing it this way can make an interesting story, if you want to honor Deaf culture, preserve an existing language with native users.
There's a terrific short story in this anthology:
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/23129839-octavia-s-brood
Octavia's Brood: Science Fiction Stories from Social Justice Movements
Earth transports babies deemed unacceptable due to their disabilities to a space colony. Which turns out to be a pretty awesome place.
While of course a lot of deafness is acquired, for those born deaf, even existing technology can diagnosis it (all newborns in hospitals get the screening tests and there are further tests for those who "fail").
Another way to get a Deaf community is to have a colony come from a group of workers or settlers chosen for their deafness. Because it was advantageous for that location or the work. As they raise families, many of the children will also be deaf, since some deafness is genetic (you can even screen for that initially). And everyone will grow up signing.
Depending on what's around, people born hearing might not thrive, or might live with whatever noise there is, or the noise could be gone by then, or they might choose (or their parents will choose) to make them deaf medically for their own comfort and health. I can imagine all the hearing readers gasping right now. But the reality is that our society routinely removes someones ability or even bodypart that is not deemed important, because there are other benefits. Extra fingers? who needs those? A quick clip of the auditory nerve could save a lot of children in this colony.
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The problem with not being raised by capital D Deaf people did occur to me - I'd been thinking of a Nicaraguan Sign Language type situation where it would occur, and be an old + established language by the time of the main story. But I like an explanation which lets them be raised by Deaf people originally a lot better. Them being chosen due to the needs of the location is a good idea that I think I can work with.
– QWriter
Nov 7 at 20:40
1
Whoa. How did you know I was talking about Nicaraguan Sign Language? I was the "assistant" (though there much longer) to the primary researcher doing that study.
– Cyn
Nov 7 at 20:43
1
It came up in my college linguistics class back a few years ago, heh - I think it's the only observed (recorded, I mean) birth of a new language (aside from conlangs, which have their own considerations), isn't it?
– QWriter
Nov 7 at 20:48
1
Ha! I observed (and learned) it for 6 months. Crazy that it's being taught in courses now.
– Cyn
Nov 7 at 20:55
1
That's extremely cool! As I said, I've known about it for years, but I never expected to run across someone who was actually there when it happened, especially not the assistant who did their thesis on it.
– QWriter
Nov 7 at 20:58
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The problem with not being raised by capital D Deaf people did occur to me - I'd been thinking of a Nicaraguan Sign Language type situation where it would occur, and be an old + established language by the time of the main story. But I like an explanation which lets them be raised by Deaf people originally a lot better. Them being chosen due to the needs of the location is a good idea that I think I can work with.
– QWriter
Nov 7 at 20:40
1
Whoa. How did you know I was talking about Nicaraguan Sign Language? I was the "assistant" (though there much longer) to the primary researcher doing that study.
– Cyn
Nov 7 at 20:43
1
It came up in my college linguistics class back a few years ago, heh - I think it's the only observed (recorded, I mean) birth of a new language (aside from conlangs, which have their own considerations), isn't it?
– QWriter
Nov 7 at 20:48
1
Ha! I observed (and learned) it for 6 months. Crazy that it's being taught in courses now.
– Cyn
Nov 7 at 20:55
1
That's extremely cool! As I said, I've known about it for years, but I never expected to run across someone who was actually there when it happened, especially not the assistant who did their thesis on it.
– QWriter
Nov 7 at 20:58
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The problem with not being raised by capital D Deaf people did occur to me - I'd been thinking of a Nicaraguan Sign Language type situation where it would occur, and be an old + established language by the time of the main story. But I like an explanation which lets them be raised by Deaf people originally a lot better. Them being chosen due to the needs of the location is a good idea that I think I can work with.
– QWriter
Nov 7 at 20:40
The problem with not being raised by capital D Deaf people did occur to me - I'd been thinking of a Nicaraguan Sign Language type situation where it would occur, and be an old + established language by the time of the main story. But I like an explanation which lets them be raised by Deaf people originally a lot better. Them being chosen due to the needs of the location is a good idea that I think I can work with.
– QWriter
Nov 7 at 20:40
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Whoa. How did you know I was talking about Nicaraguan Sign Language? I was the "assistant" (though there much longer) to the primary researcher doing that study.
– Cyn
Nov 7 at 20:43
Whoa. How did you know I was talking about Nicaraguan Sign Language? I was the "assistant" (though there much longer) to the primary researcher doing that study.
– Cyn
Nov 7 at 20:43
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It came up in my college linguistics class back a few years ago, heh - I think it's the only observed (recorded, I mean) birth of a new language (aside from conlangs, which have their own considerations), isn't it?
– QWriter
Nov 7 at 20:48
It came up in my college linguistics class back a few years ago, heh - I think it's the only observed (recorded, I mean) birth of a new language (aside from conlangs, which have their own considerations), isn't it?
– QWriter
Nov 7 at 20:48
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Ha! I observed (and learned) it for 6 months. Crazy that it's being taught in courses now.
– Cyn
Nov 7 at 20:55
Ha! I observed (and learned) it for 6 months. Crazy that it's being taught in courses now.
– Cyn
Nov 7 at 20:55
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That's extremely cool! As I said, I've known about it for years, but I never expected to run across someone who was actually there when it happened, especially not the assistant who did their thesis on it.
– QWriter
Nov 7 at 20:58
That's extremely cool! As I said, I've known about it for years, but I never expected to run across someone who was actually there when it happened, especially not the assistant who did their thesis on it.
– QWriter
Nov 7 at 20:58
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Your colonists have Waardenburg syndrome.
https://healthjade.com/waardenburg-syndrome/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waardenburg_syndrome
Waardenburg syndrome is a rare genetic disorder most often
characterized by varying degrees of deafness, minor defects in
structures arising from the neural crest, and pigmentation changes.
There are a lot of other images of folks with this syndrome on the web. They characteristicaly have a white forelock, bright blue irises and wideset eyes. The Wikipedia article states that about 1 in 30 students at schools for the deaf have this syndrome and so they can be cognitively normal.
For your story, there is some tremendous benefit conferred by Waardenburg syndrome as regards living on your space station, such that all available Waardenburg embryos were chosen to grow up. You will need to invent this benefit or read more about the syndrome than I have. An easy one is that for reasons beyond control, your space station is irrevocably loud such that inhibitants are driven to deafness anyway, and having Waardenburg's is an easy way to ensure deafness without also having more debilitating congenital anomalies. Or you could give them something extra - for example an abnormal accumulation of neural crest cells in the pituitary (the vestigial "third eye" in the center of our brain) give that organ back the powers that it lost during our evolution
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Did you mean the Pineal gland? The question seems to be science based, so all we can say about the powers of the "third eye" is that it produces melatonin and appears to regulate certain pituitary secretions. Not much to go on there.
– Corey
Nov 8 at 0:41
@Corey - yes, pineal. It is a vestigial eye and according to wikipedia "the pineal gland continues to have an exalted status in the realm of pseudoscience." My thought is that the neural crest defect of persons with Waadenburgs might be credited with some emergent property that made them better space station inhabitants, and the pineal is full of neural crest cells and otherwise a blank slate.
– Willk
Nov 8 at 1:40
While the pineal has some cells with structure similar to the retina I'm reasonably sure that it isn't the degenerate remains of a third ocular organ. The most developed parietal eye structures use different types of photreceptors than the eyes of the organisms they are present in, let alone humans, and none of them are externally accessible. It's not a true eye, it's a photosensitive internal organ. Hard to see what 'powers' that would confer on a human.
– Corey
Nov 8 at 3:06
@Corey Mysterious high-energy radiation is distorted by the structure of the skull just enough that the pineal gland can detect them as "brightness" in the direction you are facing, and allowing them to instinctively avoid dangerous areas?
– Chronocidal
Nov 8 at 13:17
@Willk You appear to be conflating the Pineal Gland with the Parietal Eye that some animals have. The two are linked, in the same way that the Semicircular canals and cochlea of the ear are of similar origin, but fulfil different functions (Balance vs Sound/Hearing)
– Chronocidal
Nov 8 at 13:23
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Your colonists have Waardenburg syndrome.
https://healthjade.com/waardenburg-syndrome/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waardenburg_syndrome
Waardenburg syndrome is a rare genetic disorder most often
characterized by varying degrees of deafness, minor defects in
structures arising from the neural crest, and pigmentation changes.
There are a lot of other images of folks with this syndrome on the web. They characteristicaly have a white forelock, bright blue irises and wideset eyes. The Wikipedia article states that about 1 in 30 students at schools for the deaf have this syndrome and so they can be cognitively normal.
For your story, there is some tremendous benefit conferred by Waardenburg syndrome as regards living on your space station, such that all available Waardenburg embryos were chosen to grow up. You will need to invent this benefit or read more about the syndrome than I have. An easy one is that for reasons beyond control, your space station is irrevocably loud such that inhibitants are driven to deafness anyway, and having Waardenburg's is an easy way to ensure deafness without also having more debilitating congenital anomalies. Or you could give them something extra - for example an abnormal accumulation of neural crest cells in the pituitary (the vestigial "third eye" in the center of our brain) give that organ back the powers that it lost during our evolution
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Did you mean the Pineal gland? The question seems to be science based, so all we can say about the powers of the "third eye" is that it produces melatonin and appears to regulate certain pituitary secretions. Not much to go on there.
– Corey
Nov 8 at 0:41
@Corey - yes, pineal. It is a vestigial eye and according to wikipedia "the pineal gland continues to have an exalted status in the realm of pseudoscience." My thought is that the neural crest defect of persons with Waadenburgs might be credited with some emergent property that made them better space station inhabitants, and the pineal is full of neural crest cells and otherwise a blank slate.
– Willk
Nov 8 at 1:40
While the pineal has some cells with structure similar to the retina I'm reasonably sure that it isn't the degenerate remains of a third ocular organ. The most developed parietal eye structures use different types of photreceptors than the eyes of the organisms they are present in, let alone humans, and none of them are externally accessible. It's not a true eye, it's a photosensitive internal organ. Hard to see what 'powers' that would confer on a human.
– Corey
Nov 8 at 3:06
@Corey Mysterious high-energy radiation is distorted by the structure of the skull just enough that the pineal gland can detect them as "brightness" in the direction you are facing, and allowing them to instinctively avoid dangerous areas?
– Chronocidal
Nov 8 at 13:17
@Willk You appear to be conflating the Pineal Gland with the Parietal Eye that some animals have. The two are linked, in the same way that the Semicircular canals and cochlea of the ear are of similar origin, but fulfil different functions (Balance vs Sound/Hearing)
– Chronocidal
Nov 8 at 13:23
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Your colonists have Waardenburg syndrome.
https://healthjade.com/waardenburg-syndrome/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waardenburg_syndrome
Waardenburg syndrome is a rare genetic disorder most often
characterized by varying degrees of deafness, minor defects in
structures arising from the neural crest, and pigmentation changes.
There are a lot of other images of folks with this syndrome on the web. They characteristicaly have a white forelock, bright blue irises and wideset eyes. The Wikipedia article states that about 1 in 30 students at schools for the deaf have this syndrome and so they can be cognitively normal.
For your story, there is some tremendous benefit conferred by Waardenburg syndrome as regards living on your space station, such that all available Waardenburg embryos were chosen to grow up. You will need to invent this benefit or read more about the syndrome than I have. An easy one is that for reasons beyond control, your space station is irrevocably loud such that inhibitants are driven to deafness anyway, and having Waardenburg's is an easy way to ensure deafness without also having more debilitating congenital anomalies. Or you could give them something extra - for example an abnormal accumulation of neural crest cells in the pituitary (the vestigial "third eye" in the center of our brain) give that organ back the powers that it lost during our evolution
Your colonists have Waardenburg syndrome.
https://healthjade.com/waardenburg-syndrome/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waardenburg_syndrome
Waardenburg syndrome is a rare genetic disorder most often
characterized by varying degrees of deafness, minor defects in
structures arising from the neural crest, and pigmentation changes.
There are a lot of other images of folks with this syndrome on the web. They characteristicaly have a white forelock, bright blue irises and wideset eyes. The Wikipedia article states that about 1 in 30 students at schools for the deaf have this syndrome and so they can be cognitively normal.
For your story, there is some tremendous benefit conferred by Waardenburg syndrome as regards living on your space station, such that all available Waardenburg embryos were chosen to grow up. You will need to invent this benefit or read more about the syndrome than I have. An easy one is that for reasons beyond control, your space station is irrevocably loud such that inhibitants are driven to deafness anyway, and having Waardenburg's is an easy way to ensure deafness without also having more debilitating congenital anomalies. Or you could give them something extra - for example an abnormal accumulation of neural crest cells in the pituitary (the vestigial "third eye" in the center of our brain) give that organ back the powers that it lost during our evolution
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Did you mean the Pineal gland? The question seems to be science based, so all we can say about the powers of the "third eye" is that it produces melatonin and appears to regulate certain pituitary secretions. Not much to go on there.
– Corey
Nov 8 at 0:41
@Corey - yes, pineal. It is a vestigial eye and according to wikipedia "the pineal gland continues to have an exalted status in the realm of pseudoscience." My thought is that the neural crest defect of persons with Waadenburgs might be credited with some emergent property that made them better space station inhabitants, and the pineal is full of neural crest cells and otherwise a blank slate.
– Willk
Nov 8 at 1:40
While the pineal has some cells with structure similar to the retina I'm reasonably sure that it isn't the degenerate remains of a third ocular organ. The most developed parietal eye structures use different types of photreceptors than the eyes of the organisms they are present in, let alone humans, and none of them are externally accessible. It's not a true eye, it's a photosensitive internal organ. Hard to see what 'powers' that would confer on a human.
– Corey
Nov 8 at 3:06
@Corey Mysterious high-energy radiation is distorted by the structure of the skull just enough that the pineal gland can detect them as "brightness" in the direction you are facing, and allowing them to instinctively avoid dangerous areas?
– Chronocidal
Nov 8 at 13:17
@Willk You appear to be conflating the Pineal Gland with the Parietal Eye that some animals have. The two are linked, in the same way that the Semicircular canals and cochlea of the ear are of similar origin, but fulfil different functions (Balance vs Sound/Hearing)
– Chronocidal
Nov 8 at 13:23
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Did you mean the Pineal gland? The question seems to be science based, so all we can say about the powers of the "third eye" is that it produces melatonin and appears to regulate certain pituitary secretions. Not much to go on there.
– Corey
Nov 8 at 0:41
@Corey - yes, pineal. It is a vestigial eye and according to wikipedia "the pineal gland continues to have an exalted status in the realm of pseudoscience." My thought is that the neural crest defect of persons with Waadenburgs might be credited with some emergent property that made them better space station inhabitants, and the pineal is full of neural crest cells and otherwise a blank slate.
– Willk
Nov 8 at 1:40
While the pineal has some cells with structure similar to the retina I'm reasonably sure that it isn't the degenerate remains of a third ocular organ. The most developed parietal eye structures use different types of photreceptors than the eyes of the organisms they are present in, let alone humans, and none of them are externally accessible. It's not a true eye, it's a photosensitive internal organ. Hard to see what 'powers' that would confer on a human.
– Corey
Nov 8 at 3:06
@Corey Mysterious high-energy radiation is distorted by the structure of the skull just enough that the pineal gland can detect them as "brightness" in the direction you are facing, and allowing them to instinctively avoid dangerous areas?
– Chronocidal
Nov 8 at 13:17
@Willk You appear to be conflating the Pineal Gland with the Parietal Eye that some animals have. The two are linked, in the same way that the Semicircular canals and cochlea of the ear are of similar origin, but fulfil different functions (Balance vs Sound/Hearing)
– Chronocidal
Nov 8 at 13:23
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Did you mean the Pineal gland? The question seems to be science based, so all we can say about the powers of the "third eye" is that it produces melatonin and appears to regulate certain pituitary secretions. Not much to go on there.
– Corey
Nov 8 at 0:41
Did you mean the Pineal gland? The question seems to be science based, so all we can say about the powers of the "third eye" is that it produces melatonin and appears to regulate certain pituitary secretions. Not much to go on there.
– Corey
Nov 8 at 0:41
@Corey - yes, pineal. It is a vestigial eye and according to wikipedia "the pineal gland continues to have an exalted status in the realm of pseudoscience." My thought is that the neural crest defect of persons with Waadenburgs might be credited with some emergent property that made them better space station inhabitants, and the pineal is full of neural crest cells and otherwise a blank slate.
– Willk
Nov 8 at 1:40
@Corey - yes, pineal. It is a vestigial eye and according to wikipedia "the pineal gland continues to have an exalted status in the realm of pseudoscience." My thought is that the neural crest defect of persons with Waadenburgs might be credited with some emergent property that made them better space station inhabitants, and the pineal is full of neural crest cells and otherwise a blank slate.
– Willk
Nov 8 at 1:40
While the pineal has some cells with structure similar to the retina I'm reasonably sure that it isn't the degenerate remains of a third ocular organ. The most developed parietal eye structures use different types of photreceptors than the eyes of the organisms they are present in, let alone humans, and none of them are externally accessible. It's not a true eye, it's a photosensitive internal organ. Hard to see what 'powers' that would confer on a human.
– Corey
Nov 8 at 3:06
While the pineal has some cells with structure similar to the retina I'm reasonably sure that it isn't the degenerate remains of a third ocular organ. The most developed parietal eye structures use different types of photreceptors than the eyes of the organisms they are present in, let alone humans, and none of them are externally accessible. It's not a true eye, it's a photosensitive internal organ. Hard to see what 'powers' that would confer on a human.
– Corey
Nov 8 at 3:06
@Corey Mysterious high-energy radiation is distorted by the structure of the skull just enough that the pineal gland can detect them as "brightness" in the direction you are facing, and allowing them to instinctively avoid dangerous areas?
– Chronocidal
Nov 8 at 13:17
@Corey Mysterious high-energy radiation is distorted by the structure of the skull just enough that the pineal gland can detect them as "brightness" in the direction you are facing, and allowing them to instinctively avoid dangerous areas?
– Chronocidal
Nov 8 at 13:17
@Willk You appear to be conflating the Pineal Gland with the Parietal Eye that some animals have. The two are linked, in the same way that the Semicircular canals and cochlea of the ear are of similar origin, but fulfil different functions (Balance vs Sound/Hearing)
– Chronocidal
Nov 8 at 13:23
@Willk You appear to be conflating the Pineal Gland with the Parietal Eye that some animals have. The two are linked, in the same way that the Semicircular canals and cochlea of the ear are of similar origin, but fulfil different functions (Balance vs Sound/Hearing)
– Chronocidal
Nov 8 at 13:23
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Perhaps your colony was designed to be deaf.
This isn't as far-fetched as it may seem at first glance. Today there are many known instances of parents intentionally having children with a “disability”. Using preimplantation genetic diagnosis parents can choose the traits of their children. While generally, we assume that parents would choose to have “healthy” children many parents are using these services to have “disabled” children, generally in the same way they themselves are “disabled”. Your use of Deafness with a capital D suggests you already are aware of this, but many "disabled" communities, Deafness perhaps chief among them, think of deafness as less of a handicap and more of something like a culture. Advocates of this idea feel that being deaf isn’t a significant impediment to their everyday lives and rather enriches their lives in various ways.
New colonies are often formed by those dissatisfied with their current environment or who are being persecuted for one reason or another. Perhaps your Deaf colony arises from a Deaf community fleeing laws outlawing their continued existence or otherwise seeking independence.
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I had briefly considered this, but had been thinking of it as primarily a government-driven settlement effort wherein it seemed odd that whoever was in charge would select in that fashion. Your point about new colonies often being formed more by people fleeing persecution would address that nicely, though.
– QWriter
Nov 7 at 19:59
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Perhaps your colony was designed to be deaf.
This isn't as far-fetched as it may seem at first glance. Today there are many known instances of parents intentionally having children with a “disability”. Using preimplantation genetic diagnosis parents can choose the traits of their children. While generally, we assume that parents would choose to have “healthy” children many parents are using these services to have “disabled” children, generally in the same way they themselves are “disabled”. Your use of Deafness with a capital D suggests you already are aware of this, but many "disabled" communities, Deafness perhaps chief among them, think of deafness as less of a handicap and more of something like a culture. Advocates of this idea feel that being deaf isn’t a significant impediment to their everyday lives and rather enriches their lives in various ways.
New colonies are often formed by those dissatisfied with their current environment or who are being persecuted for one reason or another. Perhaps your Deaf colony arises from a Deaf community fleeing laws outlawing their continued existence or otherwise seeking independence.
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I had briefly considered this, but had been thinking of it as primarily a government-driven settlement effort wherein it seemed odd that whoever was in charge would select in that fashion. Your point about new colonies often being formed more by people fleeing persecution would address that nicely, though.
– QWriter
Nov 7 at 19:59
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Perhaps your colony was designed to be deaf.
This isn't as far-fetched as it may seem at first glance. Today there are many known instances of parents intentionally having children with a “disability”. Using preimplantation genetic diagnosis parents can choose the traits of their children. While generally, we assume that parents would choose to have “healthy” children many parents are using these services to have “disabled” children, generally in the same way they themselves are “disabled”. Your use of Deafness with a capital D suggests you already are aware of this, but many "disabled" communities, Deafness perhaps chief among them, think of deafness as less of a handicap and more of something like a culture. Advocates of this idea feel that being deaf isn’t a significant impediment to their everyday lives and rather enriches their lives in various ways.
New colonies are often formed by those dissatisfied with their current environment or who are being persecuted for one reason or another. Perhaps your Deaf colony arises from a Deaf community fleeing laws outlawing their continued existence or otherwise seeking independence.
Perhaps your colony was designed to be deaf.
This isn't as far-fetched as it may seem at first glance. Today there are many known instances of parents intentionally having children with a “disability”. Using preimplantation genetic diagnosis parents can choose the traits of their children. While generally, we assume that parents would choose to have “healthy” children many parents are using these services to have “disabled” children, generally in the same way they themselves are “disabled”. Your use of Deafness with a capital D suggests you already are aware of this, but many "disabled" communities, Deafness perhaps chief among them, think of deafness as less of a handicap and more of something like a culture. Advocates of this idea feel that being deaf isn’t a significant impediment to their everyday lives and rather enriches their lives in various ways.
New colonies are often formed by those dissatisfied with their current environment or who are being persecuted for one reason or another. Perhaps your Deaf colony arises from a Deaf community fleeing laws outlawing their continued existence or otherwise seeking independence.
answered Nov 7 at 19:53
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I had briefly considered this, but had been thinking of it as primarily a government-driven settlement effort wherein it seemed odd that whoever was in charge would select in that fashion. Your point about new colonies often being formed more by people fleeing persecution would address that nicely, though.
– QWriter
Nov 7 at 19:59
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I had briefly considered this, but had been thinking of it as primarily a government-driven settlement effort wherein it seemed odd that whoever was in charge would select in that fashion. Your point about new colonies often being formed more by people fleeing persecution would address that nicely, though.
– QWriter
Nov 7 at 19:59
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I had briefly considered this, but had been thinking of it as primarily a government-driven settlement effort wherein it seemed odd that whoever was in charge would select in that fashion. Your point about new colonies often being formed more by people fleeing persecution would address that nicely, though.
– QWriter
Nov 7 at 19:59
I had briefly considered this, but had been thinking of it as primarily a government-driven settlement effort wherein it seemed odd that whoever was in charge would select in that fashion. Your point about new colonies often being formed more by people fleeing persecution would address that nicely, though.
– QWriter
Nov 7 at 19:59
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You might want widespread congenital cytomegalovirus (CMV) infection.
Most of the medical terminology on a cursory search is well over my head here, but to pick out the dramatic highlights:
Cytomegalovirus (pronounced sy-toe-MEG-a-low-vy-rus), or CMV, is a common virus that infects people of all ages. Over half of adults by age 40 have been infected with CMV. Once CMV is in a person’s body, it stays there for life and can reactivate. Most people infected with CMV show no signs or symptoms. However, CMV infection can cause serious health problems for people with weakened immune systems and for unborn babies (congenital CMV).
And also:
The diagnostic rate using combined genetic deafness test and CMV DNA detection test was determined to be 46.4% in bilateral profound sensorineural hearing loss (SNHL).
At first blush it looks like it has some promise.
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You might want widespread congenital cytomegalovirus (CMV) infection.
Most of the medical terminology on a cursory search is well over my head here, but to pick out the dramatic highlights:
Cytomegalovirus (pronounced sy-toe-MEG-a-low-vy-rus), or CMV, is a common virus that infects people of all ages. Over half of adults by age 40 have been infected with CMV. Once CMV is in a person’s body, it stays there for life and can reactivate. Most people infected with CMV show no signs or symptoms. However, CMV infection can cause serious health problems for people with weakened immune systems and for unborn babies (congenital CMV).
And also:
The diagnostic rate using combined genetic deafness test and CMV DNA detection test was determined to be 46.4% in bilateral profound sensorineural hearing loss (SNHL).
At first blush it looks like it has some promise.
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You might want widespread congenital cytomegalovirus (CMV) infection.
Most of the medical terminology on a cursory search is well over my head here, but to pick out the dramatic highlights:
Cytomegalovirus (pronounced sy-toe-MEG-a-low-vy-rus), or CMV, is a common virus that infects people of all ages. Over half of adults by age 40 have been infected with CMV. Once CMV is in a person’s body, it stays there for life and can reactivate. Most people infected with CMV show no signs or symptoms. However, CMV infection can cause serious health problems for people with weakened immune systems and for unborn babies (congenital CMV).
And also:
The diagnostic rate using combined genetic deafness test and CMV DNA detection test was determined to be 46.4% in bilateral profound sensorineural hearing loss (SNHL).
At first blush it looks like it has some promise.
You might want widespread congenital cytomegalovirus (CMV) infection.
Most of the medical terminology on a cursory search is well over my head here, but to pick out the dramatic highlights:
Cytomegalovirus (pronounced sy-toe-MEG-a-low-vy-rus), or CMV, is a common virus that infects people of all ages. Over half of adults by age 40 have been infected with CMV. Once CMV is in a person’s body, it stays there for life and can reactivate. Most people infected with CMV show no signs or symptoms. However, CMV infection can cause serious health problems for people with weakened immune systems and for unborn babies (congenital CMV).
And also:
The diagnostic rate using combined genetic deafness test and CMV DNA detection test was determined to be 46.4% in bilateral profound sensorineural hearing loss (SNHL).
At first blush it looks like it has some promise.
answered Nov 7 at 23:03
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2.What sorts of causes might result in a population with widespread generational deafness such as this?
First, in the case of generational colony ships and genetic mutations, this is highly unlikely as both the populace would be prescreened for such defects and likely trained to be selective in their breeding. Mutations could still happen, its just unlikely that it would propagate to the whole population.
But here is a plausible idea:
Over Exposure to Loud Noises
During the generational voyage a component was damaged beyond repair. That component was responsible for dampening sounds generated from [insert loud machine component like the engine]. Thus the populace self mutilated themselves so as to not need to hear so they can sleep. The society then adopted sign language as their official means of communication.
Fast forward to the colonization, after generations of the above situation the populace both forgot how to speak the spoken word and are use to and prefer sign language.
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Somehow missed this on my scroll down and posted a similar answer, but yeah, simple loud noises could be an issue. You don't even need them to self-mutilate; loud noise for prolonged periods can cause deafness, and even if it didn't, if talking is useless for communication, you can have perfectly functional ears but no way to use them, so you end up switching to sign.
– ShadowRanger
Nov 8 at 3:44
While prolonged exposure to loud noises can cause deafness I figured the constant voice eclipsing noise needed for this scenario would result in sleep deprivation before deafness ergo self mutilation.
– anon
Nov 8 at 12:18
Entirely possible, but I think you underestimate people's ability to adjust. I have a newborn and a pre-schooler, and the pre-schooler regularly falls asleep in the car a mere foot from the newborn, who hates car rides and shrieks at the top of his lungs for minutes at a time, takes a brief breathing break, then resumes. The preschooler sleeps right through it all. Ear plugs and growing accustomed to the noise (and/or being rendered deaf) seem more likely than intentional self-mutilation to me.
– ShadowRanger
Nov 8 at 15:00
That is a good point, the self mutilation aspect is rather a minor point anyways. The main point is mechanical failure causing deafening noises that force the community to abandon speech. Anyways, you are right people can adapt to Rhythmic sounds however Arrhythmic sounds are a different story.
– anon
Nov 8 at 15:11
I was thinking along these lines, but not self-mutilation. Rather, just something that can't be fixed causing such a high noise level that the only way to communicate reliably with speech is to stand next to somebody and shout in their ear. Plus they'd use improvised ear-plugs to sleep and often forget to take them out. Children would turn the resulting sign-language-pidgin into a sign-language-creole (crutch to primary language in one generation). Spoken English or whatever would then be forgotten.
– nigel222
Nov 8 at 15:26
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2.What sorts of causes might result in a population with widespread generational deafness such as this?
First, in the case of generational colony ships and genetic mutations, this is highly unlikely as both the populace would be prescreened for such defects and likely trained to be selective in their breeding. Mutations could still happen, its just unlikely that it would propagate to the whole population.
But here is a plausible idea:
Over Exposure to Loud Noises
During the generational voyage a component was damaged beyond repair. That component was responsible for dampening sounds generated from [insert loud machine component like the engine]. Thus the populace self mutilated themselves so as to not need to hear so they can sleep. The society then adopted sign language as their official means of communication.
Fast forward to the colonization, after generations of the above situation the populace both forgot how to speak the spoken word and are use to and prefer sign language.
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Somehow missed this on my scroll down and posted a similar answer, but yeah, simple loud noises could be an issue. You don't even need them to self-mutilate; loud noise for prolonged periods can cause deafness, and even if it didn't, if talking is useless for communication, you can have perfectly functional ears but no way to use them, so you end up switching to sign.
– ShadowRanger
Nov 8 at 3:44
While prolonged exposure to loud noises can cause deafness I figured the constant voice eclipsing noise needed for this scenario would result in sleep deprivation before deafness ergo self mutilation.
– anon
Nov 8 at 12:18
Entirely possible, but I think you underestimate people's ability to adjust. I have a newborn and a pre-schooler, and the pre-schooler regularly falls asleep in the car a mere foot from the newborn, who hates car rides and shrieks at the top of his lungs for minutes at a time, takes a brief breathing break, then resumes. The preschooler sleeps right through it all. Ear plugs and growing accustomed to the noise (and/or being rendered deaf) seem more likely than intentional self-mutilation to me.
– ShadowRanger
Nov 8 at 15:00
That is a good point, the self mutilation aspect is rather a minor point anyways. The main point is mechanical failure causing deafening noises that force the community to abandon speech. Anyways, you are right people can adapt to Rhythmic sounds however Arrhythmic sounds are a different story.
– anon
Nov 8 at 15:11
I was thinking along these lines, but not self-mutilation. Rather, just something that can't be fixed causing such a high noise level that the only way to communicate reliably with speech is to stand next to somebody and shout in their ear. Plus they'd use improvised ear-plugs to sleep and often forget to take them out. Children would turn the resulting sign-language-pidgin into a sign-language-creole (crutch to primary language in one generation). Spoken English or whatever would then be forgotten.
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Nov 8 at 15:26
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2.What sorts of causes might result in a population with widespread generational deafness such as this?
First, in the case of generational colony ships and genetic mutations, this is highly unlikely as both the populace would be prescreened for such defects and likely trained to be selective in their breeding. Mutations could still happen, its just unlikely that it would propagate to the whole population.
But here is a plausible idea:
Over Exposure to Loud Noises
During the generational voyage a component was damaged beyond repair. That component was responsible for dampening sounds generated from [insert loud machine component like the engine]. Thus the populace self mutilated themselves so as to not need to hear so they can sleep. The society then adopted sign language as their official means of communication.
Fast forward to the colonization, after generations of the above situation the populace both forgot how to speak the spoken word and are use to and prefer sign language.
2.What sorts of causes might result in a population with widespread generational deafness such as this?
First, in the case of generational colony ships and genetic mutations, this is highly unlikely as both the populace would be prescreened for such defects and likely trained to be selective in their breeding. Mutations could still happen, its just unlikely that it would propagate to the whole population.
But here is a plausible idea:
Over Exposure to Loud Noises
During the generational voyage a component was damaged beyond repair. That component was responsible for dampening sounds generated from [insert loud machine component like the engine]. Thus the populace self mutilated themselves so as to not need to hear so they can sleep. The society then adopted sign language as their official means of communication.
Fast forward to the colonization, after generations of the above situation the populace both forgot how to speak the spoken word and are use to and prefer sign language.
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Somehow missed this on my scroll down and posted a similar answer, but yeah, simple loud noises could be an issue. You don't even need them to self-mutilate; loud noise for prolonged periods can cause deafness, and even if it didn't, if talking is useless for communication, you can have perfectly functional ears but no way to use them, so you end up switching to sign.
– ShadowRanger
Nov 8 at 3:44
While prolonged exposure to loud noises can cause deafness I figured the constant voice eclipsing noise needed for this scenario would result in sleep deprivation before deafness ergo self mutilation.
– anon
Nov 8 at 12:18
Entirely possible, but I think you underestimate people's ability to adjust. I have a newborn and a pre-schooler, and the pre-schooler regularly falls asleep in the car a mere foot from the newborn, who hates car rides and shrieks at the top of his lungs for minutes at a time, takes a brief breathing break, then resumes. The preschooler sleeps right through it all. Ear plugs and growing accustomed to the noise (and/or being rendered deaf) seem more likely than intentional self-mutilation to me.
– ShadowRanger
Nov 8 at 15:00
That is a good point, the self mutilation aspect is rather a minor point anyways. The main point is mechanical failure causing deafening noises that force the community to abandon speech. Anyways, you are right people can adapt to Rhythmic sounds however Arrhythmic sounds are a different story.
– anon
Nov 8 at 15:11
I was thinking along these lines, but not self-mutilation. Rather, just something that can't be fixed causing such a high noise level that the only way to communicate reliably with speech is to stand next to somebody and shout in their ear. Plus they'd use improvised ear-plugs to sleep and often forget to take them out. Children would turn the resulting sign-language-pidgin into a sign-language-creole (crutch to primary language in one generation). Spoken English or whatever would then be forgotten.
– nigel222
Nov 8 at 15:26
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Somehow missed this on my scroll down and posted a similar answer, but yeah, simple loud noises could be an issue. You don't even need them to self-mutilate; loud noise for prolonged periods can cause deafness, and even if it didn't, if talking is useless for communication, you can have perfectly functional ears but no way to use them, so you end up switching to sign.
– ShadowRanger
Nov 8 at 3:44
While prolonged exposure to loud noises can cause deafness I figured the constant voice eclipsing noise needed for this scenario would result in sleep deprivation before deafness ergo self mutilation.
– anon
Nov 8 at 12:18
Entirely possible, but I think you underestimate people's ability to adjust. I have a newborn and a pre-schooler, and the pre-schooler regularly falls asleep in the car a mere foot from the newborn, who hates car rides and shrieks at the top of his lungs for minutes at a time, takes a brief breathing break, then resumes. The preschooler sleeps right through it all. Ear plugs and growing accustomed to the noise (and/or being rendered deaf) seem more likely than intentional self-mutilation to me.
– ShadowRanger
Nov 8 at 15:00
That is a good point, the self mutilation aspect is rather a minor point anyways. The main point is mechanical failure causing deafening noises that force the community to abandon speech. Anyways, you are right people can adapt to Rhythmic sounds however Arrhythmic sounds are a different story.
– anon
Nov 8 at 15:11
I was thinking along these lines, but not self-mutilation. Rather, just something that can't be fixed causing such a high noise level that the only way to communicate reliably with speech is to stand next to somebody and shout in their ear. Plus they'd use improvised ear-plugs to sleep and often forget to take them out. Children would turn the resulting sign-language-pidgin into a sign-language-creole (crutch to primary language in one generation). Spoken English or whatever would then be forgotten.
– nigel222
Nov 8 at 15:26
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Somehow missed this on my scroll down and posted a similar answer, but yeah, simple loud noises could be an issue. You don't even need them to self-mutilate; loud noise for prolonged periods can cause deafness, and even if it didn't, if talking is useless for communication, you can have perfectly functional ears but no way to use them, so you end up switching to sign.
– ShadowRanger
Nov 8 at 3:44
Somehow missed this on my scroll down and posted a similar answer, but yeah, simple loud noises could be an issue. You don't even need them to self-mutilate; loud noise for prolonged periods can cause deafness, and even if it didn't, if talking is useless for communication, you can have perfectly functional ears but no way to use them, so you end up switching to sign.
– ShadowRanger
Nov 8 at 3:44
While prolonged exposure to loud noises can cause deafness I figured the constant voice eclipsing noise needed for this scenario would result in sleep deprivation before deafness ergo self mutilation.
– anon
Nov 8 at 12:18
While prolonged exposure to loud noises can cause deafness I figured the constant voice eclipsing noise needed for this scenario would result in sleep deprivation before deafness ergo self mutilation.
– anon
Nov 8 at 12:18
Entirely possible, but I think you underestimate people's ability to adjust. I have a newborn and a pre-schooler, and the pre-schooler regularly falls asleep in the car a mere foot from the newborn, who hates car rides and shrieks at the top of his lungs for minutes at a time, takes a brief breathing break, then resumes. The preschooler sleeps right through it all. Ear plugs and growing accustomed to the noise (and/or being rendered deaf) seem more likely than intentional self-mutilation to me.
– ShadowRanger
Nov 8 at 15:00
Entirely possible, but I think you underestimate people's ability to adjust. I have a newborn and a pre-schooler, and the pre-schooler regularly falls asleep in the car a mere foot from the newborn, who hates car rides and shrieks at the top of his lungs for minutes at a time, takes a brief breathing break, then resumes. The preschooler sleeps right through it all. Ear plugs and growing accustomed to the noise (and/or being rendered deaf) seem more likely than intentional self-mutilation to me.
– ShadowRanger
Nov 8 at 15:00
That is a good point, the self mutilation aspect is rather a minor point anyways. The main point is mechanical failure causing deafening noises that force the community to abandon speech. Anyways, you are right people can adapt to Rhythmic sounds however Arrhythmic sounds are a different story.
– anon
Nov 8 at 15:11
That is a good point, the self mutilation aspect is rather a minor point anyways. The main point is mechanical failure causing deafening noises that force the community to abandon speech. Anyways, you are right people can adapt to Rhythmic sounds however Arrhythmic sounds are a different story.
– anon
Nov 8 at 15:11
I was thinking along these lines, but not self-mutilation. Rather, just something that can't be fixed causing such a high noise level that the only way to communicate reliably with speech is to stand next to somebody and shout in their ear. Plus they'd use improvised ear-plugs to sleep and often forget to take them out. Children would turn the resulting sign-language-pidgin into a sign-language-creole (crutch to primary language in one generation). Spoken English or whatever would then be forgotten.
– nigel222
Nov 8 at 15:26
I was thinking along these lines, but not self-mutilation. Rather, just something that can't be fixed causing such a high noise level that the only way to communicate reliably with speech is to stand next to somebody and shout in their ear. Plus they'd use improvised ear-plugs to sleep and often forget to take them out. Children would turn the resulting sign-language-pidgin into a sign-language-creole (crutch to primary language in one generation). Spoken English or whatever would then be forgotten.
– nigel222
Nov 8 at 15:26
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An alternative approach with non-biological causes: The generation ship was prone to catastrophic loss of air pressure. Automated systems and rapid response from the staff meant pressure loss didn't last more than a few seconds each time (and people can survive that, it's just uncomfortable), but the air pressure loss was significant when it occurred. Thanks lowest bidder contracting!
Most of the negative effects of brief exposure to near-vacuum conditions are unpleasant, but not long term. But unfortunately, your sinuses are bad at venting pressure quickly; when the pressure drops rapidly from 14.7 psi to less than 5 psi, your eardrum is almost guaranteed to rupture. Now, any given rupture generally heals within a few months, but unfortunately, the steady drip of air pressure problems means they usually got reruptured over and over before the healing completed, and eventually the scar tissue stiffened the eardrums to the point of deafness.
So after a few decades of this, your skeleton crew arrives at a new planet stone deaf, having long ago discarded spoken language in favor of text and sign communication as they all went permanently deaf.
As it happens, all the embryos have perfectly functional ears. Unfortunately, no one thought to send along recordings of the language, and everyone who knew how to speak it is decades out of practice (or dead, if the original crew died en route to be replaced by children born in space), and can't actually hear what they're saying; the newly decanted babies simply don't have any consistent model for speaking the language. So they learn sign instead. And it works. And reinventing spoken language from scratch is not that easy, and when it happens, each local group does it independently, ending up with mutually unintelligible spoken language, so sign becomes the lingua franca. Even if the occasional group speaks aloud amongst themselves, they have little choice but to fall back on signing (which everyone inherited from the original skeleton crew) when dealing with outsiders.
Add on some additional motivations for signing (e.g. the planet itself has a low pressure atmosphere or constant high winds which reduce how well sound carries and/or require respirators that muffle your voice, or have dangerous critters that attack noisy folks), and the system can end up self-sustaining for quite a while.
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An alternative approach with non-biological causes: The generation ship was prone to catastrophic loss of air pressure. Automated systems and rapid response from the staff meant pressure loss didn't last more than a few seconds each time (and people can survive that, it's just uncomfortable), but the air pressure loss was significant when it occurred. Thanks lowest bidder contracting!
Most of the negative effects of brief exposure to near-vacuum conditions are unpleasant, but not long term. But unfortunately, your sinuses are bad at venting pressure quickly; when the pressure drops rapidly from 14.7 psi to less than 5 psi, your eardrum is almost guaranteed to rupture. Now, any given rupture generally heals within a few months, but unfortunately, the steady drip of air pressure problems means they usually got reruptured over and over before the healing completed, and eventually the scar tissue stiffened the eardrums to the point of deafness.
So after a few decades of this, your skeleton crew arrives at a new planet stone deaf, having long ago discarded spoken language in favor of text and sign communication as they all went permanently deaf.
As it happens, all the embryos have perfectly functional ears. Unfortunately, no one thought to send along recordings of the language, and everyone who knew how to speak it is decades out of practice (or dead, if the original crew died en route to be replaced by children born in space), and can't actually hear what they're saying; the newly decanted babies simply don't have any consistent model for speaking the language. So they learn sign instead. And it works. And reinventing spoken language from scratch is not that easy, and when it happens, each local group does it independently, ending up with mutually unintelligible spoken language, so sign becomes the lingua franca. Even if the occasional group speaks aloud amongst themselves, they have little choice but to fall back on signing (which everyone inherited from the original skeleton crew) when dealing with outsiders.
Add on some additional motivations for signing (e.g. the planet itself has a low pressure atmosphere or constant high winds which reduce how well sound carries and/or require respirators that muffle your voice, or have dangerous critters that attack noisy folks), and the system can end up self-sustaining for quite a while.
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An alternative approach with non-biological causes: The generation ship was prone to catastrophic loss of air pressure. Automated systems and rapid response from the staff meant pressure loss didn't last more than a few seconds each time (and people can survive that, it's just uncomfortable), but the air pressure loss was significant when it occurred. Thanks lowest bidder contracting!
Most of the negative effects of brief exposure to near-vacuum conditions are unpleasant, but not long term. But unfortunately, your sinuses are bad at venting pressure quickly; when the pressure drops rapidly from 14.7 psi to less than 5 psi, your eardrum is almost guaranteed to rupture. Now, any given rupture generally heals within a few months, but unfortunately, the steady drip of air pressure problems means they usually got reruptured over and over before the healing completed, and eventually the scar tissue stiffened the eardrums to the point of deafness.
So after a few decades of this, your skeleton crew arrives at a new planet stone deaf, having long ago discarded spoken language in favor of text and sign communication as they all went permanently deaf.
As it happens, all the embryos have perfectly functional ears. Unfortunately, no one thought to send along recordings of the language, and everyone who knew how to speak it is decades out of practice (or dead, if the original crew died en route to be replaced by children born in space), and can't actually hear what they're saying; the newly decanted babies simply don't have any consistent model for speaking the language. So they learn sign instead. And it works. And reinventing spoken language from scratch is not that easy, and when it happens, each local group does it independently, ending up with mutually unintelligible spoken language, so sign becomes the lingua franca. Even if the occasional group speaks aloud amongst themselves, they have little choice but to fall back on signing (which everyone inherited from the original skeleton crew) when dealing with outsiders.
Add on some additional motivations for signing (e.g. the planet itself has a low pressure atmosphere or constant high winds which reduce how well sound carries and/or require respirators that muffle your voice, or have dangerous critters that attack noisy folks), and the system can end up self-sustaining for quite a while.
An alternative approach with non-biological causes: The generation ship was prone to catastrophic loss of air pressure. Automated systems and rapid response from the staff meant pressure loss didn't last more than a few seconds each time (and people can survive that, it's just uncomfortable), but the air pressure loss was significant when it occurred. Thanks lowest bidder contracting!
Most of the negative effects of brief exposure to near-vacuum conditions are unpleasant, but not long term. But unfortunately, your sinuses are bad at venting pressure quickly; when the pressure drops rapidly from 14.7 psi to less than 5 psi, your eardrum is almost guaranteed to rupture. Now, any given rupture generally heals within a few months, but unfortunately, the steady drip of air pressure problems means they usually got reruptured over and over before the healing completed, and eventually the scar tissue stiffened the eardrums to the point of deafness.
So after a few decades of this, your skeleton crew arrives at a new planet stone deaf, having long ago discarded spoken language in favor of text and sign communication as they all went permanently deaf.
As it happens, all the embryos have perfectly functional ears. Unfortunately, no one thought to send along recordings of the language, and everyone who knew how to speak it is decades out of practice (or dead, if the original crew died en route to be replaced by children born in space), and can't actually hear what they're saying; the newly decanted babies simply don't have any consistent model for speaking the language. So they learn sign instead. And it works. And reinventing spoken language from scratch is not that easy, and when it happens, each local group does it independently, ending up with mutually unintelligible spoken language, so sign becomes the lingua franca. Even if the occasional group speaks aloud amongst themselves, they have little choice but to fall back on signing (which everyone inherited from the original skeleton crew) when dealing with outsiders.
Add on some additional motivations for signing (e.g. the planet itself has a low pressure atmosphere or constant high winds which reduce how well sound carries and/or require respirators that muffle your voice, or have dangerous critters that attack noisy folks), and the system can end up self-sustaining for quite a while.
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The statements
"...a wide variety of frozen/preserved embryos"
and
"those embryos happened to have a high frequency of deafness"
seem to be a statistically very unlikely combination. Any sensible expedition would be sure to have plenty of genetic diversity and that is implied by 'a wide variety'.
However if the embryos were all planted by a mad scientist (probably all his/her own offspring) then massive inbreeding would occur. It would be very likely that a genetic defect such as deafness would arise.
Alternatively, perhaps many of the embryos were destroyed in transit. Again inbreeding would be a serious problem.
Therein lies my dilemma, I'm afraid. There have been some useful answers above, though -- however, I understand it is community standard to wait 24 hours before accepting an answer, so I will do so.
– QWriter
Nov 7 at 18:57
I may have added a bit more since your comment. I.e. the mad professor or the accidental destruction of embryos.
– chasly from UK
Nov 7 at 18:59
Ah, I see! Thank you!
– QWriter
Nov 7 at 19:00
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The statements
"...a wide variety of frozen/preserved embryos"
and
"those embryos happened to have a high frequency of deafness"
seem to be a statistically very unlikely combination. Any sensible expedition would be sure to have plenty of genetic diversity and that is implied by 'a wide variety'.
However if the embryos were all planted by a mad scientist (probably all his/her own offspring) then massive inbreeding would occur. It would be very likely that a genetic defect such as deafness would arise.
Alternatively, perhaps many of the embryos were destroyed in transit. Again inbreeding would be a serious problem.
Therein lies my dilemma, I'm afraid. There have been some useful answers above, though -- however, I understand it is community standard to wait 24 hours before accepting an answer, so I will do so.
– QWriter
Nov 7 at 18:57
I may have added a bit more since your comment. I.e. the mad professor or the accidental destruction of embryos.
– chasly from UK
Nov 7 at 18:59
Ah, I see! Thank you!
– QWriter
Nov 7 at 19:00
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The statements
"...a wide variety of frozen/preserved embryos"
and
"those embryos happened to have a high frequency of deafness"
seem to be a statistically very unlikely combination. Any sensible expedition would be sure to have plenty of genetic diversity and that is implied by 'a wide variety'.
However if the embryos were all planted by a mad scientist (probably all his/her own offspring) then massive inbreeding would occur. It would be very likely that a genetic defect such as deafness would arise.
Alternatively, perhaps many of the embryos were destroyed in transit. Again inbreeding would be a serious problem.
The statements
"...a wide variety of frozen/preserved embryos"
and
"those embryos happened to have a high frequency of deafness"
seem to be a statistically very unlikely combination. Any sensible expedition would be sure to have plenty of genetic diversity and that is implied by 'a wide variety'.
However if the embryos were all planted by a mad scientist (probably all his/her own offspring) then massive inbreeding would occur. It would be very likely that a genetic defect such as deafness would arise.
Alternatively, perhaps many of the embryos were destroyed in transit. Again inbreeding would be a serious problem.
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answered Nov 7 at 18:56
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Therein lies my dilemma, I'm afraid. There have been some useful answers above, though -- however, I understand it is community standard to wait 24 hours before accepting an answer, so I will do so.
– QWriter
Nov 7 at 18:57
I may have added a bit more since your comment. I.e. the mad professor or the accidental destruction of embryos.
– chasly from UK
Nov 7 at 18:59
Ah, I see! Thank you!
– QWriter
Nov 7 at 19:00
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Therein lies my dilemma, I'm afraid. There have been some useful answers above, though -- however, I understand it is community standard to wait 24 hours before accepting an answer, so I will do so.
– QWriter
Nov 7 at 18:57
I may have added a bit more since your comment. I.e. the mad professor or the accidental destruction of embryos.
– chasly from UK
Nov 7 at 18:59
Ah, I see! Thank you!
– QWriter
Nov 7 at 19:00
Therein lies my dilemma, I'm afraid. There have been some useful answers above, though -- however, I understand it is community standard to wait 24 hours before accepting an answer, so I will do so.
– QWriter
Nov 7 at 18:57
Therein lies my dilemma, I'm afraid. There have been some useful answers above, though -- however, I understand it is community standard to wait 24 hours before accepting an answer, so I will do so.
– QWriter
Nov 7 at 18:57
I may have added a bit more since your comment. I.e. the mad professor or the accidental destruction of embryos.
– chasly from UK
Nov 7 at 18:59
I may have added a bit more since your comment. I.e. the mad professor or the accidental destruction of embryos.
– chasly from UK
Nov 7 at 18:59
Ah, I see! Thank you!
– QWriter
Nov 7 at 19:00
Ah, I see! Thank you!
– QWriter
Nov 7 at 19:00
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If you are looking for a plausible reason behind everyone being able to sign, we need look no further than the vacuum of space. For a space traveling culture a language immune to radio failure and decompression would be invaluable. On a generation ship, it would be taught equal to spoken language, to maximize the odds of survival.
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If you are looking for a plausible reason behind everyone being able to sign, we need look no further than the vacuum of space. For a space traveling culture a language immune to radio failure and decompression would be invaluable. On a generation ship, it would be taught equal to spoken language, to maximize the odds of survival.
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If you are looking for a plausible reason behind everyone being able to sign, we need look no further than the vacuum of space. For a space traveling culture a language immune to radio failure and decompression would be invaluable. On a generation ship, it would be taught equal to spoken language, to maximize the odds of survival.
If you are looking for a plausible reason behind everyone being able to sign, we need look no further than the vacuum of space. For a space traveling culture a language immune to radio failure and decompression would be invaluable. On a generation ship, it would be taught equal to spoken language, to maximize the odds of survival.
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In your universe, people should already feature brain-to-brain, brain-to-machine and machine-to-brain full-duplex efficient communication. This means that communicating through verbal means is something outdated and inneficient. Even typing things is inneficient. Further, in that scenario, many people do not even need to develop or learn spoken languages.
Space is quiet. If you live your whole live in a spaceship, you aren't going to hear anything from the outside. If your spaceship is quiet, there should be no need to hear anything.
Things happening inside the spaceship could be detected by machinery installed into the spaceship itself. If needed, sounds could be captured with microphones and transmitted to humans via a machine-to-brain mechanism. This also have the advantage that frequencies that are way out of the human biologically-hearing ranges can be heard perfectly.
This means that hearing through the biologic hear is not needed anymore. Talking isn't needed either.
Now, let's suppose that the ship is not so quiet. That damn reactor produces a very loud awkward sound! That combustion chambers produces horrible echoes around all the ship! Couldn't we be better if we just choose to not hear them? If those sounds are captured by a biological hear, then we can't filter them out and they bother and hurt too much for being tolerable. So, it would be better to be biologically deaf and hear things only via the machine-to-brain interfaces. The machine is responsible to filter out unpleasant or irrelevant noise.
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In your universe, people should already feature brain-to-brain, brain-to-machine and machine-to-brain full-duplex efficient communication. This means that communicating through verbal means is something outdated and inneficient. Even typing things is inneficient. Further, in that scenario, many people do not even need to develop or learn spoken languages.
Space is quiet. If you live your whole live in a spaceship, you aren't going to hear anything from the outside. If your spaceship is quiet, there should be no need to hear anything.
Things happening inside the spaceship could be detected by machinery installed into the spaceship itself. If needed, sounds could be captured with microphones and transmitted to humans via a machine-to-brain mechanism. This also have the advantage that frequencies that are way out of the human biologically-hearing ranges can be heard perfectly.
This means that hearing through the biologic hear is not needed anymore. Talking isn't needed either.
Now, let's suppose that the ship is not so quiet. That damn reactor produces a very loud awkward sound! That combustion chambers produces horrible echoes around all the ship! Couldn't we be better if we just choose to not hear them? If those sounds are captured by a biological hear, then we can't filter them out and they bother and hurt too much for being tolerable. So, it would be better to be biologically deaf and hear things only via the machine-to-brain interfaces. The machine is responsible to filter out unpleasant or irrelevant noise.
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In your universe, people should already feature brain-to-brain, brain-to-machine and machine-to-brain full-duplex efficient communication. This means that communicating through verbal means is something outdated and inneficient. Even typing things is inneficient. Further, in that scenario, many people do not even need to develop or learn spoken languages.
Space is quiet. If you live your whole live in a spaceship, you aren't going to hear anything from the outside. If your spaceship is quiet, there should be no need to hear anything.
Things happening inside the spaceship could be detected by machinery installed into the spaceship itself. If needed, sounds could be captured with microphones and transmitted to humans via a machine-to-brain mechanism. This also have the advantage that frequencies that are way out of the human biologically-hearing ranges can be heard perfectly.
This means that hearing through the biologic hear is not needed anymore. Talking isn't needed either.
Now, let's suppose that the ship is not so quiet. That damn reactor produces a very loud awkward sound! That combustion chambers produces horrible echoes around all the ship! Couldn't we be better if we just choose to not hear them? If those sounds are captured by a biological hear, then we can't filter them out and they bother and hurt too much for being tolerable. So, it would be better to be biologically deaf and hear things only via the machine-to-brain interfaces. The machine is responsible to filter out unpleasant or irrelevant noise.
In your universe, people should already feature brain-to-brain, brain-to-machine and machine-to-brain full-duplex efficient communication. This means that communicating through verbal means is something outdated and inneficient. Even typing things is inneficient. Further, in that scenario, many people do not even need to develop or learn spoken languages.
Space is quiet. If you live your whole live in a spaceship, you aren't going to hear anything from the outside. If your spaceship is quiet, there should be no need to hear anything.
Things happening inside the spaceship could be detected by machinery installed into the spaceship itself. If needed, sounds could be captured with microphones and transmitted to humans via a machine-to-brain mechanism. This also have the advantage that frequencies that are way out of the human biologically-hearing ranges can be heard perfectly.
This means that hearing through the biologic hear is not needed anymore. Talking isn't needed either.
Now, let's suppose that the ship is not so quiet. That damn reactor produces a very loud awkward sound! That combustion chambers produces horrible echoes around all the ship! Couldn't we be better if we just choose to not hear them? If those sounds are captured by a biological hear, then we can't filter them out and they bother and hurt too much for being tolerable. So, it would be better to be biologically deaf and hear things only via the machine-to-brain interfaces. The machine is responsible to filter out unpleasant or irrelevant noise.
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The other answers are quite detailed, but if you're looking for a quick 'n easy solution, just handwave Cosmic rays. Make 'cosmic deafness' due to space radiation a known occupational hazard for early colonists, before the cure was developed. Even worse, for some areas (colonies in the Oort cloud for example) it's genetic and affects offspring.
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The other answers are quite detailed, but if you're looking for a quick 'n easy solution, just handwave Cosmic rays. Make 'cosmic deafness' due to space radiation a known occupational hazard for early colonists, before the cure was developed. Even worse, for some areas (colonies in the Oort cloud for example) it's genetic and affects offspring.
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The other answers are quite detailed, but if you're looking for a quick 'n easy solution, just handwave Cosmic rays. Make 'cosmic deafness' due to space radiation a known occupational hazard for early colonists, before the cure was developed. Even worse, for some areas (colonies in the Oort cloud for example) it's genetic and affects offspring.
The other answers are quite detailed, but if you're looking for a quick 'n easy solution, just handwave Cosmic rays. Make 'cosmic deafness' due to space radiation a known occupational hazard for early colonists, before the cure was developed. Even worse, for some areas (colonies in the Oort cloud for example) it's genetic and affects offspring.
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Maybe they can hear but not speak?
If your objective is a human society using sign language instead of spoken communication, you may wish to consider the flipside of deafness - a population that can hear but is dumb (in the medical sense). To quote from an article on the Australian ABC News website
Our ancestors, as well as modern apes like chimpanzees, didn't have a
space between the horizontal tube that leads into the jaw and the
vertical tube that leads to your throat, the way modern humans do.
But the space, which makes it possible for us to choke on food, also
allows us to do something else: speak.
Speaking is a huge advantage and choking on food is a low order risk in our current situation on Earth. However, there could be a combination of environmental factors that make the choking risk much greater for a population on an offworld colony somewhere. As a result, the ability to speak was removed through genetic and/or surgical manipulation in order to remove the choking hazard. This may have been intended as a short term solution but gained cultural inertia due to other situations where sign language was advantageous and/or speech was a liability.
As an alternative or addition, if the critical requirement is Deafness rather than sign language use, have some parasitic lifeforms akin to a tick in size that target the human ear as an entry point into the body. The parasites require still air, so they do not target the nose or mouth where respiration is almost constantly occurring, but the ear is ideal for them. As per the above scenario, the ears needed to be sealed in order to remove the entry point by surgical and/or genetic means.
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Maybe they can hear but not speak?
If your objective is a human society using sign language instead of spoken communication, you may wish to consider the flipside of deafness - a population that can hear but is dumb (in the medical sense). To quote from an article on the Australian ABC News website
Our ancestors, as well as modern apes like chimpanzees, didn't have a
space between the horizontal tube that leads into the jaw and the
vertical tube that leads to your throat, the way modern humans do.
But the space, which makes it possible for us to choke on food, also
allows us to do something else: speak.
Speaking is a huge advantage and choking on food is a low order risk in our current situation on Earth. However, there could be a combination of environmental factors that make the choking risk much greater for a population on an offworld colony somewhere. As a result, the ability to speak was removed through genetic and/or surgical manipulation in order to remove the choking hazard. This may have been intended as a short term solution but gained cultural inertia due to other situations where sign language was advantageous and/or speech was a liability.
As an alternative or addition, if the critical requirement is Deafness rather than sign language use, have some parasitic lifeforms akin to a tick in size that target the human ear as an entry point into the body. The parasites require still air, so they do not target the nose or mouth where respiration is almost constantly occurring, but the ear is ideal for them. As per the above scenario, the ears needed to be sealed in order to remove the entry point by surgical and/or genetic means.
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Maybe they can hear but not speak?
If your objective is a human society using sign language instead of spoken communication, you may wish to consider the flipside of deafness - a population that can hear but is dumb (in the medical sense). To quote from an article on the Australian ABC News website
Our ancestors, as well as modern apes like chimpanzees, didn't have a
space between the horizontal tube that leads into the jaw and the
vertical tube that leads to your throat, the way modern humans do.
But the space, which makes it possible for us to choke on food, also
allows us to do something else: speak.
Speaking is a huge advantage and choking on food is a low order risk in our current situation on Earth. However, there could be a combination of environmental factors that make the choking risk much greater for a population on an offworld colony somewhere. As a result, the ability to speak was removed through genetic and/or surgical manipulation in order to remove the choking hazard. This may have been intended as a short term solution but gained cultural inertia due to other situations where sign language was advantageous and/or speech was a liability.
As an alternative or addition, if the critical requirement is Deafness rather than sign language use, have some parasitic lifeforms akin to a tick in size that target the human ear as an entry point into the body. The parasites require still air, so they do not target the nose or mouth where respiration is almost constantly occurring, but the ear is ideal for them. As per the above scenario, the ears needed to be sealed in order to remove the entry point by surgical and/or genetic means.
Maybe they can hear but not speak?
If your objective is a human society using sign language instead of spoken communication, you may wish to consider the flipside of deafness - a population that can hear but is dumb (in the medical sense). To quote from an article on the Australian ABC News website
Our ancestors, as well as modern apes like chimpanzees, didn't have a
space between the horizontal tube that leads into the jaw and the
vertical tube that leads to your throat, the way modern humans do.
But the space, which makes it possible for us to choke on food, also
allows us to do something else: speak.
Speaking is a huge advantage and choking on food is a low order risk in our current situation on Earth. However, there could be a combination of environmental factors that make the choking risk much greater for a population on an offworld colony somewhere. As a result, the ability to speak was removed through genetic and/or surgical manipulation in order to remove the choking hazard. This may have been intended as a short term solution but gained cultural inertia due to other situations where sign language was advantageous and/or speech was a liability.
As an alternative or addition, if the critical requirement is Deafness rather than sign language use, have some parasitic lifeforms akin to a tick in size that target the human ear as an entry point into the body. The parasites require still air, so they do not target the nose or mouth where respiration is almost constantly occurring, but the ear is ideal for them. As per the above scenario, the ears needed to be sealed in order to remove the entry point by surgical and/or genetic means.
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They all work in the engine section of the ship. The permanent high noise means ear protection is worn at all times and people communicate using sign language to the extent that after multiple generations in that environment it's just what they always use.
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They all work in the engine section of the ship. The permanent high noise means ear protection is worn at all times and people communicate using sign language to the extent that after multiple generations in that environment it's just what they always use.
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They all work in the engine section of the ship. The permanent high noise means ear protection is worn at all times and people communicate using sign language to the extent that after multiple generations in that environment it's just what they always use.
They all work in the engine section of the ship. The permanent high noise means ear protection is worn at all times and people communicate using sign language to the extent that after multiple generations in that environment it's just what they always use.
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You don't need deafness to suppress speech. Space is vacuum, space ships/stations are bunch of vessels with different pressures separated by vacuum. Voice communications are unreliable in such environments without intercoms (which could be made unreliable via other means). Eardrum damage due to sudden pressure changes reinforces the drift away from voice toward more reliable means.
You can easily have a population that uses dominant sign/body language because of entire life spent in ship environment. It becomes part of space-dweller culture, retained when raising the settled-down generation. Much like a hearing kid raised among deaf people, they can be capable of vocalizations and hearing, but for them every spoken language would be a foreign language.
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You don't need deafness to suppress speech. Space is vacuum, space ships/stations are bunch of vessels with different pressures separated by vacuum. Voice communications are unreliable in such environments without intercoms (which could be made unreliable via other means). Eardrum damage due to sudden pressure changes reinforces the drift away from voice toward more reliable means.
You can easily have a population that uses dominant sign/body language because of entire life spent in ship environment. It becomes part of space-dweller culture, retained when raising the settled-down generation. Much like a hearing kid raised among deaf people, they can be capable of vocalizations and hearing, but for them every spoken language would be a foreign language.
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You don't need deafness to suppress speech. Space is vacuum, space ships/stations are bunch of vessels with different pressures separated by vacuum. Voice communications are unreliable in such environments without intercoms (which could be made unreliable via other means). Eardrum damage due to sudden pressure changes reinforces the drift away from voice toward more reliable means.
You can easily have a population that uses dominant sign/body language because of entire life spent in ship environment. It becomes part of space-dweller culture, retained when raising the settled-down generation. Much like a hearing kid raised among deaf people, they can be capable of vocalizations and hearing, but for them every spoken language would be a foreign language.
You don't need deafness to suppress speech. Space is vacuum, space ships/stations are bunch of vessels with different pressures separated by vacuum. Voice communications are unreliable in such environments without intercoms (which could be made unreliable via other means). Eardrum damage due to sudden pressure changes reinforces the drift away from voice toward more reliable means.
You can easily have a population that uses dominant sign/body language because of entire life spent in ship environment. It becomes part of space-dweller culture, retained when raising the settled-down generation. Much like a hearing kid raised among deaf people, they can be capable of vocalizations and hearing, but for them every spoken language would be a foreign language.
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Obligatory reference to Martha's Vineyard Sign Language and the long-time hearing/deaf mixed community there. (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martha%27s_Vineyard_Sign_Language)
– Jedediah
Nov 7 at 22:28
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That is an extremely useful link, thank you! I'd been googling around for generational d/Deafness stuff, but just kept finding scientific papers which didn't really give me either a good cause (such as Waardenburg syndrome) or a good example of such a community.
– QWriter
Nov 7 at 22:30
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It's not quite answering your question, hence the comment, but have you considered an environmental affect of the colony itself as a cause for the signed language? For example the ambient noise being high? This would prevent colonists from using audio communication as a default, even with good ear defenders/personal radios, and will possibly mean d/Deafness causes a Quality of Life improvement in this case.
– Kyyshak
Nov 8 at 9:13
You are asking for a biological reason for deafness, so why do you insist on bringing in the cultural 'Capital D' distinction? It seems irrelevant to the question. If you think it is relevant, than make that clear, otherwise it only confuses things.
– Jan Doggen
Nov 8 at 9:56
I've taken a shot at rewriting my question which I hope is a bit clearer.
– QWriter
Nov 8 at 10:08